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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Drylake, Jul 27, 2017.

  1. Drylake
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    Are these rims chev? Particularly the artillery rim. The stud pattern is 4.25 centre to centre. [​IMG]I may not be looking in the right places but I've had a little trouble finding and artillery with the same number of ribs. Thanks in advance for any help.

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  2. Sancho
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    Look like 1936 Chrysler artillery wheel.
     
  3. 302GMC
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    Looking at the clips, the top one is an orphan, Hudson or ? The clips on all the '48- '54 Mopar wheels I have are facing outward in two bends ... 2nd is a '34-5 Mopar. They're a 4.5" pattern, not 4.25", & we call them wheels here.
    Tell us what you're trying to find - we'll help.
     
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  4. TagMan
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    Not meaning to start anything - just an observation: 'Rims' and 'wheels' are pretty much interchangeable terms, at least they have been in my neck of the woods for the last 55+-years I've been playing with cars.
     
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  5. LOL the meaning is implied and understood. But in every pecan tree you'll find a peckerwood who is looking for a mate. :D

    Around here the people in the neighborhood got it figured out, they call 'em wheelrins, best of both worlds. :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Everybody should know what a "wheel" is,. the term, "rim", can be misunderstood by some. Especially with old stuff and trucks.
     
  7. Drylake
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    Doesn't the photo help, wheel/rim. The stud pattern isn't 4.5" it is 4.25".

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  8. Los_Control
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    measuring the bolt pattern is from the outer edge of one hole to the center of hole across from it.
    So I agree that center to center is 4.25, it actually is a 4 1/2" bolt pattern. And the top rim looks just like the wheels on my 49 and 52 dodge trucks and the 52 plymouth wagon. no idea what the second rim in photo is.

    Mopars had locating pins on the brake drums, then used bolts. The smaller holes inbetween the lug bolt holes is for the locating pins on the mopars.
     
  9. Squablow
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    First one looks like 48-54 Dodge/Plymouth 15" wheel and the artillery looks like a '36 Plymouth wheel to me.

    Definitely measure from center of one to outside of an opposing lug hole, those are 4.5" pattern wheels. Center to center measurement won't give a true diameter of the bolt pattern circle unless the wheel has an even number of lugs (works for 4 and 6 lug wheels, not 5 lug) Imagine a circle that intersected the center of each lug hole, now draw a line between two lugs, center to center. It doesn't split the circle in half, it's offset. That's why you measure to the outside of one of the lugs, to make up for that offset.
     
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  10. Drylake
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    Thanks for the help in identifying them, they're both 16".

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  11. Squablow
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    If the first one takes a 16" tire then it's most likely a 47-earlier Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler wheel.
     
  12. Drylake
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  14. WiredSpider
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    It,s funny that you are giving him **** for his spelling of tyre(which is correct for England,Australia etc) but you can,t spell Ghetto
     
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  15. Drylake
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    Ok... tyre is correct spelling (au). One spaz exits... another enters...

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  16. chopped f1
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    might change name of hamb ot hasb hokey *** spelling board !
    and yes in Australia we spell it tyre!
    i wont even enter the rim/wheel debate i think we all knew what drylakes was asking about
     
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  17. Los_Control
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    Many were 16", the 1949 in my avatar is actually a 3/4 ton truck, it came with 15" 5 on 5" bolt pattern. While the 1/2 ton trucks and 52 plymouth suburban came with 16" wheels with 5 on 4.5" bolt pattern ... 16" is perfectly normal back then.Actually the 49 in my avatar has a 1/2 ton front axle on it with 16" wheels.
    I pulled my truck sideways a couple inches in soft dirt to make a tight corner parking it.
    My wheel cracked inbetween the bolt holes (marked in red) I no longer trust any of the wheels and will junk all 12 of them, install modern wheels for daily drivers.
    And measuring (marked in black) from outside edge across to center hole, will give you your true bolt pattern spacing.
    wheel.jpg
     
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  18. In New Zealand, we also spell it, tyre.
    When I'm on here, I spell it tire, just because.....
    When in Rome.;)

    Sorry, I can't help with ID.
     
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