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Technical 1951 Deluxe (235/PG) STARTER questions

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by G ., Nov 6, 2017.

  1. G .
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    @squirrel I glanced when I was under the car, but it was raining and I was in a hurry to pull the starter. All I noticed was my legs getting wet, and how many spiders came along with my car from the field it was in haha.

    I'll get more in depth when my car is at my house finally.
     
  2. squirrel
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    I'm just wondering if someone put a 12v starter on it, when it really wants a 6v starter, and that's one reason why it never ran again?

    here are some pics from the internet of the two types of flywheels.

    coarse teeth with the bevel is the 6v style, fine teeth with no bevel is the 12v version. You should be able to look in the starter hole, and tell the difference. starter teeth 002.JPG 11 inch clutch flywheel 001.JPG
     
  3. G .
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    HA! Yeah wouldnt that be funny... I guess we'll see! But, the starter I took off definitely had some miles on it. Never can tell with a car like this- one owner, then left on someone's property for over 40 years...
     
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    I guess you'll find out
     
  5. Johnny Gee
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    1/4-28 nut on a 1/4-20 bolt. Why won't it go?
     
  6. 302GMC
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    I sure hope the rest of the engine (like inside) doesn't look like the outside ... re-reading the post, I can't find info about if it turns or not, but I'm certain you've checked.
     
  7. G .
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    Good thing that's not the issue. Thanks though.
     
  8. G .
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    Turns over by hand- starter just makes a faint click when hit with 12 volts. Drive gear does not even try to engage. No whirring. No loud clank of a flywheel getting punched by a drive gear that doesnt mesh. Nothing.

    The outside is a little rusty- but under the valve cover looked great- super clean oil and trans fluid too- old plugs were just on the carbon side of tan, with no real oil to speak of on the threads. Everything rubber or plastic under the hood is gone though- field mice had their way years ago. Radiator still holds water though! Not that I trust it, of course.
     
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  9. Johnny Gee
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    It's a flywheel to starter gear reference.
     
  10. jcmarz
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    No, they did not. 235s were not full oil pressured until 1954.

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  11. jcmarz
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    And only the powerglide cars had the 235. Manual cars had the 216.

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  12. G .
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    I got it. Doesnt apply here since the starter meshing wasnt the issue. The starter not doing anything was.
     
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  13. G .
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    @jcmarz whats a full oil pressure 235 look like?
     
  14. jcmarz
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    Four bolt valve cover and short push rod cover. Also, the splash oilers have a small 3 bolt kodney shape cover, on the exhaust/intake side of the block, just above the oil pan. With a small looping tube. A full pressure 235 DOES NOT HAVE THAT. So, those are the 3 things to look for.

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  15. G .
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    Forgot to update this- flywheel teeth meshed perfectly to this starter, and engine spins over freely. Time to do some light re-wiring to get it to fire.
     
  16. squirrel
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    that's good to hear! perhaps it has a more modern engine in it than you originally thought
     

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