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Technical AV8 rear brake question

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by T Hudson, Dec 11, 2017.

  1. T Hudson
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    My buddy is doing an AV8 ch***is for a '27 T. He is using a '40 Ford rear axle and has '52 F1 rear brakes. It seems to him, and I recall this also, Tardel's book claimed this was a bolt on. It doesn't appear to be, can anyone sheds some light on this for him? He is a BC guy (before computer) and asked me to put this out. Thanks!
     
  2. RICH B
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    Not even close. F-1 front brakes will fit on the front tho.
     
  3. Fred A
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    F1 fronts can be made to work on the early front axle, not quite bolt-ons. Buy the book. Good Luck Fred A
     
  4. 55styleliner
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    Yep, not going to work. Use the 40-46 brakes or buy the brake kit from Speedway.
     
  5. e z i
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    IMAG0756.jpg I used f1 brakes on the rear of my model a cause I had them, but I had to cut the centers out of a set of 1940 backing plates I had laying around, and mate them up to the f1 backing plates.
    It was a royal pain in the ***.
    I'd never do it again. I'll just use 40-48 rear brakes..
     
  6. RICH B
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    What did you use for drums and what did you do to the early Ford hubs to adapt them?
     
  7. e z i
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    I used f1 drums, I machined/bored them out to fit the 40 hubs.
     
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  8. T Hudson
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    We both own the book,
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    See where it says, "The rears bolt on like they were made for old Ford axle housings" in the paragraph where it is talking about F1/100 brakes.
     
  9. Fred A
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    Without heroic re-configuration, the rears, including the ten inch drums and backing plates are not a direct bolt-on the '40 rear, but so many others including the '39-'48 rears, the Lincoln Zephyr hydraulic rears through '48 and many after market offerings as either Bendix, servo, self energizing, or wrongly '39 Lincoln are more easily made to work. Best Idea: Bolt away! Nothing is impossible to a great fabricator. Good Luck: Fred A
     
  10. chiro
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    Yes, that's not the only mistake in the book. There are others that are just as significant. The book is great, but there are a few mistakes.

    Andy
     
  11. RICH B
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    As a non-heroic alternative, how about F-1 front brakes on a banjo rear. Maybe an hour to fab and weld in a couple e-brake cable tubes, any 11" brake hardware will work, and a small amount of machine work to reduce the flange and register diameters on the hubs. If you use Bronco drums instead of original F-1 drums (unobtanium) the lip will need to be faced off as it goes a little too deep. Simple hot rod fabrication (like in the old days).
     
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