Exactly what I was thinking. Back in the day there was nothing even comparable to the Boss 302/ 351, as far as small blocks anyway.
Probably for the same reason that Chrysler couldn't shove one of their mules in the Sunbeam Tiger. Actually back then Ford was the only "big 3" that supported racing programs. They used lotus, and Cosworth, Lola in the UK. Shelby and Holman & Moody in the USA Using partnerships and "skunkworks" was cheap for the factory R & D depts and a windfall for those involved. GM dropped the ball a bit back then, but later on started playing the same game. CanAm became a Chevy dominant playground for GM
Fords racing history is very impressive and arguably unparreled as far as diversity from F1 to Rally and especially when you take into account their support internationally but unfortunately it didn’t always translate well domestically and big projects were abandoned such as the SOHC motors of 60s. Debatebly unattractive to most is the huge diversity in the different families of engines that do not have interchangeable parts and in my honest opinion is what made the Ford engines a lesser choice in the after market world.
Yep, thems the ticket right there! I’m combining the tops of the early ones on the left with the bottom of the laters to clear my stud girdles. And will finish them off like these with my Holman Moody decals. Also going to fabricate a similar air cleaner for crossram though. Sent from my iPhone using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
People need to stop getting hung up on the label of "Traditional". In all honesty if it is a used car and you decided to hop-it-up and add your own style to it then guess what you built a traditional hot rod. That is the tradition. People confuse a time period build with the label traditional. Build what you want and try to give it a little balls. Oh, and have fun. Screw what anyone else thinks because they're probably full of crap anyway. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
No. Tradition on this board is what the board owner has defined it as. Take it, or leave it. Trust me, this is my 13,965th post. I have probably had 100 deleted, and have been directly reprimanded, on several occasions. Were it not that I do my absolute best to contribute constructive tech, wherever I can, I'd have likely already been kicked out. Find the board rules. Read the board rules. Memorize the board rules. You have been here since 2014. You should know this by know.
Your right. I forgot this place was nothing more then a cool kids club. That's why I tend not to post and try to stay in the technical part of it. Less ego stroking. I do appreciate all of the technical post. The hippocracy of discussion forums. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
Sorry but most the ohv ford motors are ugly , sb/bb mopars too y-block not a great performer , but it's pretty Sbf only 6 years younger than a sbc but you didn't see many in rods till the 70s kinda the start of the ford in a ford craze... sbc is dimensionally same as a flathead which means way less cutting of that old precious tin
Don't apologize for your opinion and as far as certain engines not performing your wallet will take you as fast as you allow it to. google Jon Kaase Y block for a little y block motivation.
It really all depends on your definition of "traditional" hot-rod, I was taught a hot-rod was taking a car you had and jamming the meanest motor you possibly could into it but I also understand the ideology of forums such as this that want to conserve what a hot-rod was at the time of conception.
Both 350 and 302 are functional engines. Both are fairly cheap and easy to use and build and parts are plentiful. Thats way they get used in so many cars. But that's also why they are uncool in any oldschool or cool hot rod. There ard so many other considerably more interesting engines that are just as dependable and are way more interesting. Sent from my SM-T805Y using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
Hypocrisy... It's always fun to read, work, and play on the phone. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
I always get a kick out of these "is it traditional" threads. Asking a bunch of dickheads online or reading whatever current pop culture "pretend traditional" magazine to figure out what people actually did isn't a good way to go about it. You can pick up stacks of real vintage old car magazines at any swap meet or eBay and actually see what was going on at that time period. Want to know what was en vogue in 1961? Pick up that year of Hot Rod magazine. Maybe even some Motor Trends or JC Whitney catalog too. As far as your Ford engine, use it if it blows wind up your skirt. I love me a big block Chrysler and Joe Rockabillyfuckhead ain't going to tell me what to do with it. .....geez I think I just had my first "get off my lawn" moment... Sent from my iPhone using H.A.M.B.
If it had to be 50s or early 60s period correct ( that´s what is pullin my string) and it had to be in a Ford and I didn´t want to run an early Chevy ,W -engine or Nailhead or Olds ( which I doubt) I´d go with a Y-Block. They are almost as beautiful and clean looking as an early Chevy , the run nice a have a great sound. SBFs just look too crowded for me, with the distributor in plain sight and the multi angle valve covers... Just not what I like... It´s the same with girls, as long as I like her and she looks and performs right, I don´t care what her name is...
Everything is traditional ! It just depends on how good our selective memories are, and our ability to stand up to peer pressure and opinions of others. So what is the latest traditional trend these days ?
Good well thought out answer, I would just comment on that one point I emboldened. So in my understanding of "Traditional", the idea is not whether some item or technology was available at a certain time frame, it's whether it was used traditionally in hot rodding. I was around prior to 1965, but I was only 7 years old, I was not aware of what was being used, so I may be wrong here, but from what I've gathered I don't think 221 SBF were being used in 20's & 30's Ford hot rods at that time. Why would someone go to the effort to install that engine with 145 horsepower, when the 283 Chevy was so much easier to install and may have been a little heavier, but packed as much as twice the power. Even the Y-block of the same period packed more than 100 horsepower advantage over the 221. I just don't think the 221 was traditionally used to repower 20's - 30's Ford hot rods, and so is not traditional in those cars.
It’s always been a tradition to put something big into something small and something new into something old. Remember where the Caddy motors ended up. Sent from my iPhone using H.A.M.B.
This is curious, after reading what he did with that MEL motor a few days ago I wondered what he might do to a Flatty given the challenge. Sent from my iPhone using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
There wont be very many. Really your only choice would have been the 271 hp 289 which came out in 1963 and was a fairly rare engine. Only until 1969 you got the Boss 302 and a little later the 351 which are certainly not traditional.
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