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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by JRODHOTROD, May 3, 2006.

  1. JRODHOTROD
    Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    I just installed a 700r4 and rebuilt an 1850 holley 4160
    It drives fine once moving, however when placed in reverse or drive it tries to stall the engine. If I idle the carb way up, the I can keep it alive. Once on the highway its fine but if I hit a stoplight will try to stall. It shifts fine too

    I tried to call TCI this morning and they were of no help. As a matter of fact this guy was rude and told me to just take it to a transmission shop to fix it.

    I cant seem to find any vaccuum leaks, and the fluid level in the trans is good

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
    Thanks again
    JRODHOTROD
     
  2. Stall speed? i.e. Car too light for torque convertor?
     
  3. JRODHOTROD
    Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    Currently this setup is in a c-10 truck 2500 stall
    Im getting it ready for a swap into my 51 chevy
     
  4. Vicious_Cycle
    Joined: Mar 27, 2006
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    Vicious_Cycle
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    Can you throw a 'known' good carb on there in order to eliminate your carb rebuild as a possible cause? I believe the problem is in the carb.

    'Car too light for torque converter' isn't it, since when you're idling and the brakes are holding the car stopped, the car's weight is eliminated from the equation... and the engine still wants to die.
     
  5. Wingman
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    Do you have a lockup converter? Is it disengaging? One of my old girlfriend's daily would stall at stoplights and it was the TCC(trans convertor clutch) solenoid sticking and not disengaing the lockup convertor. It was a front driver, but the symptoms sound like yours.
     
  6. JRODHOTROD
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    Wingman- lockup has been removed entirely
    Vicious Cycle- you are right the old carb didnt do it, but when I rebuilt and installed the holley it began to do this, what in the carb would cause this?

    not enough fuel?
    floats set too low
    too small of jets
    trash in the carb

    jumpy idle
    vaccuum leak
    spark plugs fouled
    surging fuel pump
    trash in the catb

    dies in gear(almost)
    too much drag on the engine
    vacuum leak
     
  7. Vicious_Cycle
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    Tough to diagnose over the internet, but if you know what jet sizes worked good in the old carb, that's where I'd start with the new one. I doubt it's a fuel delivery or low float issue, since those would let it idle, but not go down the road well.

    My guess is vacuum leak somewhere. I'd yank a plug or two also, to make sure you aren't dumping a bunch of fuel down the intake.
     
  8. JRODHOTROD
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    The old carb was a quadrajet, so i couldnt tell you. do you think something in the transmission could cause this
     
  9. tommy
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    Did you try playing with the idle mixture screws? I'd start there.
     
  10. Vicious_Cycle
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    Sure. That's why my first move would be to put a known good carb on the motor and see what happens. The result will tell you what direction to go from there.
     
  11. JRODHOTROD
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    thanks yall I'll give all the possibilities a try right now
     
  12. dickster27
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    dickster27
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    from Texas

    Close your choke part way and see if this will help it to stay running. If so, you will need to increase the size of your idle tubes. If it does not make a difference, you made no mention as to what cam you have in this motor. If you put a thumper in you don't have enough stall, so you will have to increase the stall speed in your convertor.
     
  13. BigMikeC
    Joined: Apr 18, 2006
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    You must be using an adapter if you changed carbs from spread bore to square bore [Q-jet to Holley] Check the adapter gaskets for a good print, so you know if you got a complete seal. Next, what power valve did you use, and what kind of cam are you running? Sounds like you have low manifold va***, and when you drop it in gear, it drops to the point of opening your power valve, which richens the mixture enough to kill the engine. A bad ballast resistor in your + coil wire will do the same thing. RPM drops, voltage drops, coil quits coiling. Hope this helps. - Mike
     
  14. JRODHOTROD
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    thank, im out there right now going throught the possibilities, goodwrench 350 stock cam, adapter to spreadbore
     
  15. JPMACHADO
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    I had this EXACT same problem with an 85' Blazer. I installed the GM delux 350 with a Holley carb connected to the stock 700R4. As soon as I changed over to an Edelbrock it worked fine. That advice came from another friend who had switched to an Edelbrock. Not endorcing the Edelbrock stuff necessarily, Just the facts. Hope this helps you out.
     
  16. JRODHOTROD
    Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    plugs looked old, so I replaced them, it didnt change anything.
    I adjusted the idle screws, replaced all the gaskets between the carb and adapter and adapter to intake

    Im swapping carbs now to see what happens
     
  17. JRODHOTROD
    Joined: Mar 23, 2006
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    JRODHOTROD
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    from Manor, TX

    Im even less of a fan of the edelbrock-carter AFB carbs
     

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