Customs Air Bags: The Case For And Against

"Would anyone like to know the importance of at least discussing M2 suspension?

I'll tell you anyways,
the set up works good on a 74-79 mustang and anything that may have the same relative weight, frame height, frame width and track width. That's sort of common sense right?? Here's the important parts & I believe discussion would benefit the general population here on the HAMB- they don't fit everything, moving things around to Fit causes problems and the kits available are not redesigned to work they are reconfigured to fit. BIG difference."
"Yes, anyone and I mean anyone that can follow directions can install a universortafitsal kit complete with incorrect and compromised design pretty easy.
Trusting the manufacturer to have done the homework is where the innocent gets the short end of the stick."
31Vic

Exactly. & had some miserable snowflake not gotten his panties in a twist, reported/bitched/complained about the m2 thread material like hell was coming through the front door (& who btw couldn't/wouldn't add anything useful to the thread), the thread would've gone a *very long* way to *exposing the very reason(s) why it's best not to use the m2 front end*. & if it is used, what to watch out for & how to correct it. & **then refer other folks to this thread when they have a Q on why it's better not to use the m2**, traditional time frame not withstanding as a valid reason (in this case for this subject [& yes, I actually do get the time frame this site wants to feature]). Apparently, it hasn't occurred to very many, that this would've been a *very good teaching & learning session/example*. Too bad it got disappeared.
It seem that informative threads, instead of the "feel-good" ones, get hammered, put down, & reported. Pete Eastwoods' stop using cowl steer thread is another example, besides the various m2-related threads 31Vic recently put up, wanting an actual intelligent discussion. Oooopps... BTW, 31Vic, I did appreciate what you put up, & can relate to why. FWIW.
Marcus...

 

Many of the early stock IFS's had some suspect geometry as well.. There are literally 1'000s of Mustang II front suspensions in cars that most would say work satisfactorily and would probably install it again... But I get that hot rodding is not an exact science....

 

Thanks Marcus !!

There's no doubt that some do work good because they actually fit and function relatively accurately in their confined area. Nobody really has concerns about those because they are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

More importantly how do you feel about sharing the road with the ones that don't work well? Those are the ones that cause concern

 

I feel safer with those than straight axle spindles turned backwards with improper Ackerman, side steer hot rods, hot rods with no front brakes or poorly adjusted 39-48 front brakes.. But hey, who's comparing.. I just wanted to say if there is room for bagged cars, there is also room for Mustang II front suspensions, just don't dwell on either one.....

 

There, that was very definitive. Its over, done, fini, no more, history ! now can we move on to 348's, 409's, 283's, 292Y's, 312Y's, Linda Vaughn's 38's.

 

Says the guy who joined a week ago.

But yeah.

 

I don't have a problem with that if the only one harmed is the owner/builder. Other people, not so much. One of the issues from 'back when' was harassment from LEOs for unsafe cars. It took a lot of years to swing public perception away from that, I'd sure hate to see us reacquire that reputation....

 

Understood, Sir...

 

I’ll throw my 2 cents in I’ve had all 3 versions of suspension
Hydraulics in a 1963 Impala lowrider in 1993-95
Airbags in a 1964 country squire 2012-14
Traditional lowering techniques in 1957 ford SeaBurst

I’ll admit hydraulics was fun as hell back then bouncing and raising in traffic.
When I had airbags I always worried about how high and if it would lift
Plus one time a fuse had blown for my airride stranding me at a car show
Had too walk around till somebody gave me a fuse .
The 57 has traditional lowering techniques such as straightening the leaf springs and taking a few out and reverse shackles .
upfront lowering springs
5” inches too the ground the car sits
It’s kinda fun negotiating at steep incline
And how the car bend when driving and turning .

Then you had the California rake in the early 60’s where you had hydraulics up front traditional lowering in the back .
HYDRAULICS

AIRBAGS

TRADITIONAL LOWERING

CALIFORNIA RAKE





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Hi, I am fairly new to the HAMB, however I am not new to period correct cars. I have been there and done that with out compromise. Locking yourself into a world without compromise sucks, generally your vehicle becomes a static display or it will separate the men from the boys in how you use the vehicle. Air bag suspensions should not be covered here if this forum practices what they preach or "spreading the gospel". I believe this forum has established the guide lines along time ago and has enforced them exclusively by raising the bullshit flag on each other. I am raising the bullshit flag now. The forum says, "Period Correct", I say, "Practice what you preach".

 

To stir the pot. If you want an adjustable suspension. Why not install hydraulics. I have 2 pumps and two batteries. It goes slower than most lowrider systems you`ve seen, but I can adjust the ride height, even going down the road at 70 miles an hour. I have 10 inch cylinders, but you wouldn`t need that much height. You can control how low you can go by how much of the coils you cut. My system is 30 years old and it gets driven a lot. Long hauls too. It rides like a Cadillac. A little more traditional. The only problem I had was an A-Arm snapped off. It took 25 years to do this. I knew something wasn`t right a week or to before it happened. I just didn`t look hard enough.

 

A few observations
I trust an air bag more than a cast axle
If we completely followed the rules to the letter, all post 1965 pictures of Linda Vaughn would be removed
And if someone builds a mustang 2 with a straight axle can the suspension be covered?......,,,just kidding

Except for the cast axle comment

 

I love early cars as much as the next guy and would like to build a bunch of period stuff but custom cars are about creation imo that’s what the word custom infers originality.. my point isnt that traditions a negative I just don’t want to listen to anyones mouth every time I drive a car that’s the embodiment of what it’s about.. custom cars are for the imaginative genius and rule book roding is not.. most of your hero’s were building original works.. those with no creative talent or vision seemingly turn into the militant stick in the mud legalist.. I hate to say it because I would like nothing more than to have a stable of great survivors but tradition or more accurately traditionalists are inhibiting the custom car scene.. can feel a ban coming? this wasnt meant to offend Ryan just tired of listening to the overbearing close minded who think every car that’s not period isn’t worthy, it’s contradictory to the definition of what a custom is imo..

 

122 posts in a month, thats dedication.

 

And has posted a shit load about everything= expert....... Trophy is on the way....... Relax a lil there.......

 

Did you not look at the rules before you joined or do you not understand? Pre65 traditional is what it is about or at least cars inspired from them.

 

188 posts, over a 4-year period, and now you are a Forum Cop?

 

Nope couldnt pay me to do that job just posting an opinnion based on facts at least the way i see them

 

Uh, "Did you not look at the rules before you joined or do you not understand?", is not an opinion. It is making a qualitative judgement, and not about a persons build, and its traditional veracity, but about that person's opinion.

This is not additive conduct, it is subtracting and reductive.

 

Big words and lots if post you must be right good to know

 

lock down in 10, 9, 8 ,7...........

 

And that is the #1 reason I have been trying not to post on this thread

 

Then dont

 

Good point so I might as well ask the same question that I asked before. Can anyone post a picture of a pre 65 custom running a full bag suspencion and end the depate. I have see patens stock caddys the air lift sponcered cars with there helper springs but no actual customs didnt people take pics of there cars you can find photos of almost any other mod you can imagine why not them