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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Relay, May 12, 2006.

  1. Relay
    Joined: Apr 21, 2006
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    i've had this problem ever since i bought my 57' chieftian.

    i've found if i park it at a steep angle front of the car higher then the rear, i can start it up and drive about 100 feet and the car runs out of fuel. so i had to take the fuel line off from the filter and fill the float bowl up manualy then reatach the fuel line and start it then it runs like normal

    and last night on the way home i got off the freeway, stopped by the parts store, then got back in started driving i got about a mile away and the car stalled out on me again this time at 45mph. so i pushed it into a driveway and did the same thing filled up the float bowl.... this time im pretty sure i could hear the fuel draining into the intake, but i still got it started.

    i found the fuel line from the filter to the carb was kinked a little bit... so just to rule that out i replace it last night, is this my only problem or do i need to re-build the carb?

    if that is the case where can i get one?

    oh btw its a rochester 2 barrel
     
  2. 53sled
    Joined: Jul 5, 2005
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    a quick rebuild wouldn't be a bad idea, new float, needle&seat would be piece of mind insurance. and if there is a hairline crack its weeping through, you'll see it.

    1 thing to look at, how much pressure/volume is your pump putting out? mine sits for extended periods and the carb dries out a little, but the pump catches up quick, then no problems. there could be a pinhole in the diaphram or supply line that lets it "****" back out of the bowl.

    once again, drive-ability issues are the hardest to find. give me burned points any day.
     
  3. Relay
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    i looked at kanter's website and found a kit for 60 bucks, seems kinda steep. is there any other place i could check?

    i deffinitly know its a fuel issue,

    the fuel pump to me doesnt seem like it pumps out enough volume just by cranking it and watching what comes out... but then again the guy i bought it off of had just replaced the pump. so im leaning twards ruling that part out.

    do you have any specs i should check I.E. pressure and volume?
     
  4. 53sled
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    I don't have specs on your car, but most mech pumps are 5lbs and under, volume 6-8 gph. If you find a parts guy who can read, a kit for a rochester should be $25-30, new float is another $5

    Also, see how much "lift" the pushrod has.. it could be a flat lobe or worn pushrod... http://www.imperialclub.com/Repair/Fuel/pump.htm

    have fun this weekend :)
     
  5. Relay
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    haha thanks a lot for your help you gave me some good ideas :)
     
  6. scottybaccus
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    I once had a plymouth valiant with a 2 barrel Holley that always died when you turned a corner one way, but not the other. (don't remember which was which...) Anyways, it was a hole in the side of the float bowl that opened into the throttle bore. Turn a corner, slosh enough fuel into the throat to stall, flooded engine. It took a while to figure that out, but ever since, I have been wary of corrosion in the float bowl of old carbs. Before you open a new kit, do a careful visual inspection on any old carb you work on. If you find anything suspect, you will be in the market for a new carb and returning that kit will sound like a great idea. Okay, maybe that's about 10 cents worth... I'll stop now.
     
  7. Relay
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    good information, ill keep that in mind when im workin on this piggy.


    on a second note, i drove the car to work today and just now took it out to lunch and back, so far i havent had any problems, maybe the pinched fuel line was the fix.... i guess time will tell.
     
  8. Relay
    Joined: Apr 21, 2006
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    Last night i bought an electric fuel pump, when i went to install it, i found the fuel line to the fuel pump pinched in two places.

    looks like whoever ran the fuel line the last time didnt keep in mind the suspension moves and ran it above the upper control arm. so after i replaced that line i drove it around and still the same problem,

    then i popped the hood as it was running and peeked down the carb and found the left accelerator pump/nozzel would work half the time. and the left(driverside) venturi didnt have any fuel dumping out of it.

    and the p***enger side venturi didnt have very good atomization, the fuel just kinda dripped out of the venturi. so im leaning more twards a carb rebuild.

    anyone have any tips on rebuilding the carb, things i should look for. etc.
     
  9. Chapulin
    Joined: May 11, 2005
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    Google under how to rebuild a holley...I found a couple of sights with great diagrams and pointed out all the lingo before you ever entered step one in the rebuild. Good luck and its not that hard.
     
  10. Relay
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  11. bigdog
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    I'd take a long hard look at the fuel pump. Just cause it's new doesn't mean it's good. If it runs for 100 feet after startup it's got gas in the float bowl. The fact that the problem occurs when it's parked uphill makes me think that the inlet valve on the fuel pump is not sealing, allowing the fuel to flow back out of the pump to the tank. That means before you get gas the pump has to pull the gas from the tank all the way to the pump and if the valve isn't sealing it's going to take a while to get there. That doesn't mean that you don't have a carb problem too.
     
  12. Relay
    Joined: Apr 21, 2006
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    good info thanks for the reply!

    last night i installed an in-line electric fuel pump, that seemed to do the trick.

    i finally found a carb kit, its costing me 50 bucks and it has to be shipped out of missouri.

    i drove the car to work this morning it worked great with no fuel problems. now i think the points are ****ping out on me, the car wouldnt go over 65 and had a mean backfire issue.
     

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