Traditional rods-why 1964?

Its because my push truck is a '65. But don't tell anyone it looks like a '64.

The story of my life I pull the ace, king, queen, jack of hearts and the 3 of spades. JUST MY LUCK!!

The end of the baby boom???

 

No matter what year car you have just enjoy it. Somebody here picked 1964. I do not agree but thats what they think. The Beatles?? They were it in 64..but a 64 pontiac is allowed in? Mustang was also in 64, 64 and one half to be exact. To use thoses examples is stupid. I've seen many 65-67 g***ers customs etc that are more traditional then some cut off date cars.

 

Especially after the white album.

 

Come on, it's the "42 Year Rule", just ask Eddie.

 

At***ude, changed by the increased power of earning.

 

DRJ almost had it! and you all have heard it, over and over
1946-1964 Baby Boomers
the boom after world war ll everything that has happened in this country since follows the boomers. muscle cars=boomers. housing=boomers even SUV'S=boomers

oh and the biggie The collapse of social security= boomers
Even though the government stated stealing from the SS fund 20+ years ago

 

Age of innocence? When I think of bad*** rides my thoughts are far from innocent.

This discussion could be ended once and for all if there was a movement celebrating the style and culture of modified cars POST-1964. It certainly would need to be era respectful but could include 60s and early 70s cars done up in the flavor of period NASCAR or Trans Am cars. Dudes could finally build a 1966 chevelle with a straight axle and not have to call it a g***er just to be accepted. 60s Super Stockers with lace paint and skinny keystones would get worshipped in the ways they deserve to be. Sixties customs and early lowriders would finally have a place to call home. Those that understand the sick beauty of '70s custom vans could finally come out of hiding. Cal-style EMPI VWs would thrive along side with Datsun 510s with flared fenders and American racing Libres.

I say the acceptible years should be 1958-1976. Period flavored modified cars only. No stock restored cars. Genre mixing would be encouraged. Bands at car shows would sound like MC5 and Black Sabbath instead of rockabilly.

In my opinion the world changed for the better in the 60s. I think car culture did too.

Its really easy to say that you should just build your car the way you want and enjoy it, but its hard to find pleasure in not being able to share your vision with others that would also like it becuse you're car is too new. There are alot of very creative and talented people involved in the world of traditional rides that could make something like this shine.

 

I think it may have to do with the number of muscle cars out there. If you go to a local cruise night around here there are a hundred muscle cars and 3 cool rods and custums. So by setting the cutoff date of 1964 you can focus on homebuilt hotrods rather that factory built ones. Also the styles around from the 40s-the mid 60's is really what makes traditional......traditional. If you want to see muscle cars you can go to the local cruse or a boyd rally. Thats my take anyway.

 

Thats funny. Talk about axis of evil^^^^^ Just add the summer of love to those to and you have evil in words.

 

c'mon people. Do we hafta keep beating this to death? You have to draw the line somewhere, or else some dude hasta sit at the gate and decide who's ride is cool and who's ain't. And it will all be based on his opinion. And somebody will end up shooting the poor boy.

It's a general agreement by those involved that the compromise ends up on a certain year (or rolling age--- like 30+ years or older). Someone's gonna get left out (even if their car IS cool).

Personally, my interest in cars starts to fall off around 58... but if you have a Mustang, you can still be my friend!

 

Because the guy that started the board said so.

Those that aren't willing to accept that, or feel the need to change the board to suit them will discover that there is nothing stopping them from starting their own board, and running it anyway they want.

Just don't be surprised when someone signs up and tries to change it to suit them.

The board is free. Accept it, and the rules the owner establishes, or leave. It's really very simple. You are getting what you paid for.



Mutt

 

I just wish they would have waited a couple years to shoot Kennedy, because that way maybe the Radir Wheels Guy would answer my PM about wheels for my '66 Continental ragtop!

 

too much said already,but back to the original question...Somehow I dfon't think cutoff dates have **** to do with the "Age of Innocence",Happy Days,or any other social commentary BS...When I saw the ***le of this,I thought of the KKOA original date of '64...I always ***umed it was primarily GM cars...Helluva lot of difference in '64 and '65 styling...Made sense to me,and I was born in '52..around my town,the guys with the Crestliners,the '58 Impalas,and the mid 50s Fords lost the battle to be cool when ****heads showed up in daddys new GTO,or Mustang..At least it seemed that way to this punk*** kid at the time

 

And when I was a kid 10 years ago, cruising around in my slammed, primered 72 Chevelle I lost the battle to to be cool to the kids in the 5.0 Mustangs and the Camaro SS's.

I cut my teeth street racing and building muscle cars. I never really put them together with any set style I just sort of took what I liked and ran with it. I can appreciate traditional style rods and after hanging around here the last few months and seeing what you guys are doing Im really aching to pick something up and try something a little more traditional then the El Camino I drive now.

I dont neccessarily agree with the year cut off for shows and such but I do understand why its there. I get rejected from Billetproof a few years ago because my Vista Cruiser was a 67. If I had the same model as a 64, I'd of been let in. Oh well. I still go every year and enjoy what it has to offer.

 

I tried to post a reply last night in response to a particular post FULL of piss, vinegar and ignorace, but I decided just to let it go, yet now I am back... calmer hopefully.

Rules have to exist. That's just the way it is.

I love my chevelle (and so do many people here by the pms I get when I get a wild hair and post a pic of it here) but it's not "traditional." It's a muscle car. Muscle cars are generally accepted to have been born in '64 (even though their roots definitely were earlier) and that is why there is a cut off at alot of traditional shows. To keep the tubbed 67 Camaros from parking next to your hot rod or custom. Simple.

Is there gray area? Sure, and sometimes it can create a sticky situation. There will always be cars that are *****in but don't fit the year and won't get into a particular show, just like there are cars that have been *******ized beyond hope but fit the year and still won't get into a particular show.

 

Personally I think this is a very good thread and all the responses have been informative and thoughtfull.

Just wanted to say that.


I don't think this is beating a dead horse.

This is some good discussion.

 

Great observation, I was there and you are right.

 

I agree completely.

My post was made entirely out of respect for this board and the scene in general. I'm dead serious about wanting a seperate but related haven for post-'64 stuff. If there was such a thing, the die-hard traditional dudes wouldn't have to deal with 60's **** anymore and people that take a more period approach to later stuff wouldn't need to deal with 20" wheels and leftover pro-streeters.

The fact that this question keeps coming up is reason enough that it be discussed intelligently.

There's a small minority within all aspects of the automotive hobby that geeks out on the celebration of period modifications. They usually just get buried by whatever is the most popular within that genre. The pre-64 rod and custom scene is the only "traditional" genre that I know of that is supported by a huge community. I'm sure that more and more 60s and 70s cars would get built in period stlyles if there was a scene to support them.

 

It could not have been said better.
But hey I still have a hard time with any thing made post WWII. I can remember those being $50.00 and $100.00 used cars because they were not cool and no one wanted them.

 

but the Ramones came out in '76 !!!!!!!

 

No lawn chairs or cry baby dolls made after '64. I'd support that.

 

I can't remember that.

I CAN remember $50 and $100 used cars because they were $600 to $1200 NEW cars, and while we drooled over the New '55 Chev hardtops with a V8 stick - The Hot One, according to the ads - we did it through the windshield of our '51 Ford club coupe, or the '51 Chev that our parents might have owned, until we had enough paper route money saved up to buy our first car.
That could have been anything, as long as it had two doors, preferably, if it was a six, but four doors could be made acceptable if the car had a V8 and a stick. A V8 stick could be a nice equalizer when someone decided to razz you for driving "Dad's Car".
All the cars for kids were in the back row of the car lots, and that's where the salesman steered you when you walked on the lot. You could actually find hot rods in the back row, along with mildly customized cars, that kids had traded in on a newer,shinier 2 year old model as they moved up the ladder of society.

Mutt

 

Exactly! I get tired of seeing the same kind of thing over and over again...a resto-mod Chevelle is a resto-mod Chevelle. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick on a Chevelle they are cool and all) but there is little difference between them other than the parts that were choosen out of a catalog. Back in the day you had to scour junk yards or fabricate everything.


I went to a car show a couple of years ago that had categories for all years cars and trucks. Based on a scoring technicality a freaking PT cruiser won "Best In Show" out of about 200 cars. That's ********!

 

There must be a lot of that **** going on in Reno, i think its called Hot August Nights.

 

Just don't let anybody in the carshow that has a mullet or comb/over.

 

Hell we've (boomers) been blamed for everything from the apple to the advent.


I don't think that it is soleley this board that has made the '64 cutoff date for trad a reality but the clout that we have surely hasn't hurt the effort.

Does it reallty make that much difference? I mean face it if you're 15 today and you start building an A Bone period correct, to you it isn't trad you aren't old enough for it to be trad, its a period ride, that is unless everyone in your family has practiced the tradition since before trad cars were trad.

So is pre '64 period correct, well for that time period it is; after that is another period. For whatever reason we prefer rods built in what ever period that came prior to '64.

 

pfft....lol

 

As Tommy and DrJ mentioned, the other common cut-off date is '48. Is this due to Ford's restyling in '49, or some other reason (probably something really obvious that I'm missing)?

Of course, my 2 projects are '49 and '65. I'm always a day late and a dollar short.

 

Yes.

 

Exactly. Same goes for traditional lowriders. I'll take a '65 Impala done in true traditional lowrider style over a '60 Impala with 20" Foose wheels any ****ing day of the week. It's about style, not cutoff year, especially for body styles that overlap the 1964 cutoff.

But...you have to have a cutoff sometime or else everything would be allowed, so I understand why shows do it. But as far as guys not giving cars respect if they were manufactured after 1964, that's just lame.