I would love to finally see some technology get used and not shelved. Without getting all into conspiracy theories, I firmly believe a lot of technologies have been supressed over the years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGaraPrEo8
I figured somebody would make that work someday. i can't see dependance on fossil fuel forever. Water just makes sence.
My niece Lorie Jones wrote this answer to her father after he sent the whole family a copy of this article. Lorie is actually DR. Lorie Jones a full professor of Physics at Stanford. She recieved her degrees at Cornell. Seems like snake oil to me. As usual, I have to apologize for being the downer in the family, but there is a major omission in this story. The report neglects to emphasize that water is not actually the energy source. The energy source is the coal/natural gas/oil burned to make the electricity which is required to convert the water to hydrogen fuel. Producing hydrogen from water via electrolysis is a very inefficient process, so you'd use much less energy overall welding with a regular propane blow torch. Until the electricity is generated renewably by solar, wind, biom***, etc. or other non-fossil sources on a large scale, the technology in this news story doesn't help with the climate change problem or the oil dependence problem or air pollution or any other problem. The only way those alternative energy sources will become a significant part of our energy supply is if they become cost compe***ive, which can't occur without strong and sustained government investment in energy efficiency, renewable energy R&D, and subsidized deployment of these technologies. (I'm not just blowing smoke here; I studied this when I worked as an energy and climate change ****yst.) Bottom line is there's no miracle fix out there right now. The world (and especially the US, which is its biggest energy hog by every measure at the moment) has to get serious about energy conservation and m***ive investments in alternative energy asap. It will involve some pain and costs in the short run, but the effects of global climate change will be a lot more expensive in the long run. Lorie
Keeping this on topic-We as hot rodders should research Hydrogen as I understood that it is relatively adaptable to older engines with no electronic control additions..... I personally believe we could have it soon if it were not for the fact that therights to that technology are not in the right hands at this time. Sadly-WE will only have Hydrogen for fuel AFTER the oil companies have control over its production and distribution.
where were you all when oil was $8? coming to the aid of the oil companies? nope, lots and lots of them went ***s up. i bet you were in the same place i was... not caring and pumping your $.70 gas. these days most evil american energy corporations are putting more money (4,5,and even 6 times their profits) into exploration in places like the barnet shale in *gasp* north central texas, and the arkoma coal beds in oklahoma, arkansas, and even in *gasp* missouri... hell oil seeps out of the freakin ground in california... has since it was trapping saber tooth cats and ****. it is also employing a lot of folks these days, myself included... meanwhile GM just closed their okc plant. we need to look towards things like corn alcohol that when used with american and ONLY american oil, will take away the need for foreign oil and keep the jobs that the oil and gas industry has created, not to mention give the american farmer a new cash crop... see what is happening in brazil, a country that has already eliminated its dependence on foreign oil. but even this has its problems... growing that corn takes water, ground water specifically which while renewable, takes a long time to replenish itself. i don't have the answers... i just find the mineral owners (mostly mas and pas, average folks who are getting paid too), but i'm not going to turn a blind eye to ignorance of what most of our american oil companies are doing in the communities that over half the posters in this thread are living. -pigg pumping and smiling, oil and gas landman by the way, does that thing even weld? i just saw it burn a brick
7,000? thats not as bad as i thought new tech. would be... a freaking new tig welder cost 4 to 5 thousand anyways...
" I firmly believe a lot of technologies have been supressed over the years." Yeah, namely a few different Tesla processes & technologies. His broadcasting of electricity like radio waves for easy free distribution wasn't going to make Westinghouse or JP Morgan rich(er). http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/cat_index_1.shtml http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2000/07-03-2000/vo16no14_getusout.htm http://www.thenewamerican.com/focus/un/index.htm .
The problem with hydrogen is that it takes a whole lot of electricity to make it. For eaxmple, if you used electricity to make hydrogen, then burned the hydrogen in a geverator to make the electricity, it would run out of fuel pretty quickly. the energy used making the hydrogen is greater than the energy the hydrogen can generate. The laws of physics strike again Oh, and tesla did some really cool stuff in his day. for those not familiar with his work, you can thank him for the common and widespread use of AC electricity.
how can it be ineffecient if it gets 100miles to an ounce of water? so how much MPG is that? 3200mpg of water?
These have been around forever for jewelers and clockmakers. I remember looking at them with my Dad at a clock show in detroit in the mid 1980's when I was in grade school.
I get how it works...sort of. But why it it only warm to the touch? How come it only burns holes in stuff when it makes contact with them?
Does anyone remember Rudy Gunnerman?? He had a fuel a few years ago that was 51 % water -- with Naptha & some secret stuff he had come up with. He had been financed by Catipillar Tractor Company & the US Airforce had tested his product for over a year, also the City of Reno Nevada ran all their vehicles on it for over a year. All of these en***ies were interviewed & verified that everything claimed was fact. There was little more than a change of spark plugs needed to use it in a car & a change to the injector pump on Diesels. There was Zero polution from it & the by product of combustion was water vapor. The last he was heard of , there was a station set up here in LV to pump it & they were advertising for truckers that ran from LV to Reno to do further tests, there were to be more stations to pump it on the route to Reno. This was all reported in the Las Vegas RJ over a period of several months-- then ??????? About 2 years ago I asked the paper to do a follow up on the story --the RJ has a section on " whatever happened to?" just for that purpose. I talked to several reporters -- they all denied the story had ever been run & I could find no trace of it in the papers records!!!
I agree with warpig, what really needs to happen is to get rid of our dependance on forigen oil. If that means use E-85 and our own domestic or gulf oil then so be it. It would help the farmers here in Michigan to be able to grow fuel corn more. I think what needs to happen like someone above said is the gov't needs to be a partner to this, cause right now E-85 is STILL more money than good ol 87 octane. Besides which I believe just about any motor can be converted to E-85 and most new cars can run either.
Too bad the story didn't mention how much and what source of energy was used to produce the hydrogen.
Yes, I do. Here are some articles if the links aren't dead. http://www.himacresearch.com/docs/ Lots of other neat articles there as well. I imagine the torch would certainly have a niche somewhere in industry and I agree that it can't run on water alone. It takes electricity to make it work. The experiments on the car are very interesting though.
The 200 mpg carbs and water carbs and such were not "supressed", they were just ********.. I can't view the video in the first link....but is it related somehow to this? http://hytechapps.com/science/Santilli.htm Apparently these folks have found a relatively low energy way to separate hydrogen from water, and make an interesting gas that can be used to generate very high temps very easily. Right now I don't know how much energy you can get out of it (it makes sense that you can't get out more than you put in)....at least the paper is out for review by the scientific community, so we'll see where it goes. No suppression here.
Hence the reason the NRC is beginning the process granting licenses to new generation nuglear plants. They are slated to incorporate new control bath processes, which conicidentally give of an extremely large amount of non-radiated hydrogen gas. As my understanding the NRC is requiring that these new gen nukes, also incorporate an onsite refinery for the hydrogen to fuel cells. And before people jump on the "Well what are they going to do with the waste....." I forget the University (I don't have the source in front of me, and it was a few monthes past written), but they are solidly on the road to developing an actual bacteria that eats spent plutonium material, and basically ****s out as less hazardous by-product with a significantly diminshed half-life. I kid you not. I like reading real science journals. The technology being developed out there behind the scenes in all fields, is phenomenal. Unfortunately, once again not to sound conspiratized, the public sees relatively very few for a mul***ude of reasons. Doesn't Tesla actually have nearly as many patents in his name as Edison. Or some such thing like the second most, or something.
I've talked to someone who is a distributor for these welders and seen one in person. The primary market is s****yards any other places that do so much cutting that they'll see a savings over buying tons of oxy & actlyene tanks. They plug into 220ac outlets and use distilled water to make the HHO (can run on regular water, but needs to be cleaned much more often as the impurites in the water build up). The system for the car doesn't run on the water alone, not by a long shot. The one method I heard them talking about having used was to take the catalyzers from the welder, hook up two truck alternators to the engine and use the electricity from the truck alternators to break down the water, then fed the HHO gas into the engine. You lost HP (running the extra alternators), but ended up gaining MPG (one claim was 91mpg in a '91 Ford Explorer, but I can't confirm that). The thing I liked best was that the system could in theory be installed by a backyard mechanic in your own driveway, no m***ive modifications or rebuilding of the vehicle needed. Also the only place there would be any of hte flammable HHO gas is in the line from the catalyzer to the engine. Which would be safer in a crash when compared to a pressurized tank of hydrogen, LNG or propane. I have been from tiem to time tempted to try converting my daily driver to the hydrogen hybrid system. Except the catalyzers (of which you'd need two) were at least $800 each last time I asked about it, plus I'd have to come up with the alternators, custom brackets, wiring, plumbing, water storage tank, etc. Glad to see their stuff finally getting a little press though.
I can shoot rockets out of my ***hole, but I'd rather use a rocket launcher. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/****rocket.html No, *******s, the video is not me. So, like the water-for-fuel prospect, until I see someone else efficiently blasting infidels with ***-rockets, I'll stick with using mine for the things that it does well today, namely, ****ping, farting, stinking, and hiding cocaine.
There IS some truth to using a water mist to increase horsepower. When I raced my 442 at Lyons drag strip out in California, the ET's dropped like mad when the fog rolled in. That heavy water-laden air increased almost EVERYONE's horsepower. Some nights my ET's dropped by almost a full second.
http://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/magazines/2003/current/new***ociate.html i give up any arkansans wanna hate on wal-mart?
Thanks for the link. It still leaves one wondering what ever happened to the fuel --- seemed to be no reason for it not to have gone somewhere-- but ???????? I know I can't buy any & I'll bet noone else can either.
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