Bad Dog: Thank you for shedding more light on your angle. I would certainly be interested in reading your testing. Let us know when it hits the racks.
Ran across some invoices from Jere Jobe from 10 years ago and his charge for rebuilding a 97 was only a few bucks less than the current Stromberg 97 from England. No complaints about his work, but it was damn pricey.
Yeah, and after you buy the 9-super-7, you'll still have to have him rebuild it to get it to work... Just OK... Not really sure what the price he charged you to rebuild an original 97 has to do with anything... We have no idea what you sent him, what you asked him to do, etc...
Someone asked above how you obtained these carbs and this only half answers that question. I'm going to ***ume the question was asked because he/she was wondering if Speedway knew the reason for buying the carbs. Was Speedway aware of why you or Outkast purchased the carbs to be tested or was it just a general call up and order kind of deal with no promise of returned results and conclusions on behalf of Speedway? Thanks for providing your input and thank you for stepping up and filling us in a little more on who you are and what your intentions were. I too would also like to hear more on the results of the Holley carbs and hopefully the article will provide some good feedback on them.
They all look nice and have heard enough of their problems like Grant's but all in all , I will stick with the original ones . Might need a few to get the ones you want but at least you know what you have . Bottom line is you can't make a better one than the ORIGINALS !
And does Street Thunder get ANY advertising dollars from Speedway, or have they given you anything to give away as promotions or for contests? ~Jason
Wow, you guys don't trust anyone... Speedway has never purchased an ad in the magazine... Not that our ad sales staff won't try before this issue goes out, as we regularly inform them who's parts we are using on different projects and then they go out and try to leverage them to purchase an ad to compliment the editorial they will be receiving... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't... I understand your skepticism, there are some major advertisers out there that demand positive editorial in exchange for editorial support, fortunately we don't have any of those. I do believe Speedway submitted some of there SBC TruRams shortly after they were introduced years ago, to our member testing program but I believe that was the only time we had prior dealing with them. Speedway was made aware of our project after the parts purchase and delivery. Unfortunately there is no do***entation with the Speedway carbs, as to fuel pressure requirements and we wanted to ensure the test was fair to the manufacturers intended use and that is why they were contacted then. I agree with many who have posted here, that I was surprised by the packaging, in that it resembled the Stromberg 97 so closely... I would have hoped they would have tried to differentiate themselves more. I would have liked to have seen a larger venturi size offered as well. But that would involve more than simply trying to duplicate a 70 year old design.
Keep in mind Dyno testing carbs is only one aspect of testing a carbs overall performance. It gives us a chance to monitor a carburetors fuel and air delivery over an rpm range in a controlled situation. It also allows us to tune the carbs for off idle stumble or hesitation if there is too much or too little fuel delivery. The majority of dyno testing is performed at wide-open-throttle (WOT) a situation that does not reflect typical driving situations, (at least for many of us). Our Dyno tests proved to us that all of the carbs tested were capable of delivering good consistent air/fuel ratios, but it is still no subs***ute for actual "real world" drive testing as well. We plan a follow up once our project truck is completed and we can put our various carb combinations to work on the street.
Your implying that a financial stake can influence their opinion. OK agreed and fair question, but why not look at both sides of the equation by asking if Jere Jobe having a financial stake in this issue may influence his opinion. Lets face it. If someone produces a functional, close copy of the 97 that could take a bite out of any money he makes by rebuilding the originals, what's his motive to find them acceptable? I'll wait for an unbiased opinion from both sides. Bob
yeah I was wondering if vintage speed collaborated and also the possiblity of a chinese knock off , but has anyone gotten a hand on one or a set yet ??
You'll never find it... Opinions are always biased... What's starting to piss me off though is that Jere (Along with at least 4 other well respected HAMBers) provided his opinion and people didn't like it... But instead of manning up and putting their money where their mouth is and doing the test themselves a bunch of people got their ******* in a bunch and try to criticise him for not being scientific. Then some newb nobody's ever heard of comes out and tells them that they actually can get a solid gold watch for a dollar... But PROVIDES NO ACTUAL PROOF that the damn carbs work... So people naturally question the guy... But apparently if you like the ****py, over-priced, Chinese rip-off, you don't have to be "SCIENTIFIC, or UNBIASED, or HONEST"... Let's just make a rule, that if you think the Speedway carb ****s, YOU'RE WRONG... Deal with it... Oh and Jere Jobe is the devil...
Since my last post, I bought a Super Speedy 9-radical-7 carb from speedway.. It was delivered and I bolted on my car and took it to the dragstrip... I GAINED A FULL SECOND in the Quarter!!! How does Speedy Bill DO IT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!!!
Much easier to argue semantics, prejudice, and author bias, (real or imagined) than to get your hands dirty actually working on something.
The question must be raised then... Would you recognize an 'independent evaluation,' if it poked you in the eye and called you 'Squinty?' "Hey, I bet that guy hates those carbs because he's lost a fotune on the commodities market..." I heard the Pope's prayed to Mother Theresa for a sign that the 9-WIKID-7 carb is really the cat's pajamas... But I think she's got something against guys in hats... So I'll take it with a grain of salt...
Really? Did that, along with Speedy's new carb, gain you another .5 in the quarter? Now that is scientific research!
Folks that want originals will always go that route. Folks that buy new will always go that route. There's still plenty of originals to be had - and less expensive than new, anytime. There's also plenty of us still here in the trenches building our own carbs. It pretty much all boils down to wanting the weight of history on your car or not. And while I'd love to dismiss folks that buy new as "gold chainers", you just can't. Some folks that buy new are people with skillsets in other areas. Some just don't want to mess with carbs. Some want to make sure that their carb is one less thing worry about, and others figure if they're spending $X on their car, it may as well have something new. I can't blame them - they just want their car to be nice - don't we all? The original 97 market will always be around - I don't think these new carbs will be taking a bite out of Jere's living anytime soon. Jere builds and tunes with old carbs and new, he'll still make money bolting whatever you send him to intake manifolds and setting them up. Jere's a good guy, and I respect his evaluation, and his opinion, and at the same time would love to see Mark's "real world test" article. I'm still looking for some sort of evolution these carbs have gone through, or a small glimmer of hope that Speedway has corrected some if the failings that have come to light surrounding this controversial carb. ~Jason
If I were Charlie, I'd probably stay out of it. He makes money off of tuning and parts, not the whole animal! ~Jason
You totally need to do a Tech Week post on that one! ~Jason <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ibNfNwdiAfo&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ibNfNwdiAfo&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
I bought the 3 deuce kit from speedway in chrome. Bolted the system on a 283 stroker, hooked up fuel line and started the engine. adjusted fuel pressure down to 3 psi checked the mixture screws for initial settings (they were correct) then with a vacuum gauge once running and drove it. No issues at all right out of the box! had to adjust a linkage rod to the 2 outer carbs to adjust when they came in. other than that they work great. nothing wrong with the 3 I got in that kit they work great. no flaws no leaks no tinkering . a year later I buy 4 of these carbs for an Offy intake on my 400 sbc that also work great . had a minor fuel leak on 1 and fixed it with a new gasket for .59 cents. big deal.. I don't race my car I drive it on the streets. I haven't dyno tested them for hp. or got any scientific data only driving it in real situations ie traffic hot weather cold weather etc. I bolted them on and drove it. it drives great Looks great and they do what they are suppose to with no h***le's .I have been asked hundreds of times how hard they are to set up. screw driver and a vacuum gauge simple!. its not rocket science its easy when you know how.so for all the people who think they are **** because of some article you read. do not knock them until you actually try them. 4 pages of bad reviews on this 9 super 7 and no real results! well now you have real results. Maybe I got lucky and got 7 good ones. I've had mine for a few years with no issues .bought way before I read any of these reviews on this site. I know this thread is old but for those looking for more recent information on these carbs and are going for that old school look they work fine. cheers!
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