Technical Do you say Engine or Motor?

If the goverment gets it way they will all be motors

 

I use the terms motor and engine to decide on the type of people I want to waste my time on.

 

Had y'all paid attention to my previous post, we could have avoided 3 pages of this.

 

Omg...hahahahahaha!!!

 

General Motors, Ford Motor Company, Nissan Motor Company, American Motors, Honda Motor company, the misnomer goes on and on.

 

LOL I say which ever one pops into my head. But I sometimes say things that sound a whole lot better in my head than they do outside of my head.

You are correct a motor is usually electric and an engine is normally internal combustion. Unless of course you are talking about a steam engine, or a rocket which actually has no reciprocating internal parts.

Then you get into a lot of things that make zero sense but are called by industry standards. For example I have a young friend (damned good mechanic too) that works on trains. The locomotives on modern trains have a big old Diesel Engine that drives a generator that feeds the electric motors that give it motivation. The whole deal is called an engine or a locomotive.

Now then here is another thought. Some electric cars have a big hydraulic pump that feeds a hydraulic motor on each wheel. Motor being the operative word here and if the pump were driven by an engine the hydraulic motors on each wheel would still be called a motor. LOL

More often than not I think that the word used is understood by context. If you and I are talking about a 327 FI in a Corvette and I say the motor you surly know that I am not talking about the blower fan assembly. Maybe not, but I would hope that you would.

 

I call them mills. "show me your mill". So where did that term originate? Not to add to the confusion.

 

Battery to motor to engine to generator/motor back to battery, repeat. Mathematically the DC system wins.

 

Perhaps the term mill comes from the old saw mills that used a donkey motor. One motor ran the entire saw mill via belts. The entire setup was called a mill, and please do not ask me why I know this. LOL

 

If the belt fits.

 

The plural of cannon is cannon.

I gave up on that too.

 

I remember reading this in the old hot rod magazines and CARtoons back when I was just a kid and wondering at first what the hell they were talking about. It took me a little while to figure it out, but that's been 50 years ago. I have no idea where the term came from.

 

There is an antique equipment museum out here that has set up an old work shop with all of the tooling inside ran off a series of belts, shafts and gears, all run overhead. Outside the shop they park an old tractor with a side mounted pulley and they run a long belt from the tractor inside to a main pulley that powers everything else in the shop. That tractor just sits out there and idles all day long. I love going to that museum, and the festivals they put on where people bring out all kinds of old tractors and equipment. Americana at it's finest.

 

I have a long cord for my outboard motor on my boat.

 

does a Tesla have a motor or an engine.

 

When I was in high school in Oregon Stimpson's Mill was run that way or at least part of it was. My first paid engine overhaul was for the donkey motor. They used those old Lincoln bangers a lot in the Pacific NW.

 

I’d guess it started from the term
Grinding Mill.
In machine shops a lot of machines are called mills.
More than likely a machinist who was into hot rodding engines started the nickname.

 

What Tesla has is growing pains. LOL

I have not been into one, do they use hydraulic motors or is it an electric motor through a conventional transmission?

 

Thanks, Petejoe...always wondered about "mill".
Saved me from having to use my search motor...

 

usually engine

 

You count different than we do in the States, I only count 4 pages and as far as building engines, motors, mills or whatever why don't you post one instead of complaining about what others post? HRP

 

Both words have hundreds of years of use and history way before the advent of self-powered vehicles. "Engine" was always the more general of the two, often applied to someone or something that caused a change in society or the economy. "Motor" was much more specific to a device that produced mobility and not simply "power". At the start of the industrial revolution, steam was first used in factories as stationary power sources and were called "engines". Note that this makes sense because mobility and transportation were not on the menu yet. Later on, when steam began to be used for railroads with the power plants bolted onto wheeled platforms, the label of "engines" was carried over from the original, stationary plants. The next slippery slide was to eventually and wrongly apply the "engine" moniker to the fuel-powered devices in vehicles.
So we have hundreds of years of very clear meanings for both words versus about a hundred years of subtle change to the word "engine", almost a reversal of meaning for both words, simply because steam preceded electricity by a few years in railroad power.
Of course, language is always evolving with new meanings and new words so all it takes is enough stuffed shirts, who think they know best, to dance on the head of a pin and effect a new meaning that never existed before. They haven't quite got there with this debate but maybe someday we will have a consensus.

motor (n.)
mid-15c., "controller, prime mover," from Latin motor, literally "mover," agent noun from past participle stem of movere "to move" (from PIE root *meue- "to push away"). From 15c. as "controller, prime mover" (in reference to God); sense of "agent or force that produces mechanical motion" is first recorded 1660; that of "machine that supplies motive power" is from 1856. First record of slang motor-mouth "fast-talking person" is from 1970.

engine (n.)
13c, "mechanical device," especially one used in war; "manner of construction," also "skill, craft, innate ability; deceitfulness, trickery," from Old French engin "skill, wit, cleverness," also "trick, deceit, stratagem; war machine" (12c.), from Latin ingenium "innate qualities, ability; inborn character," in Late Latin "a war engine, battering ram" (Tertullian, Isidore of Seville); literally "that which is inborn," from in- "in" (from PIE root *en "in") + gignere, from PIE *gen(e)-yo-, suffixed form of root *gene- "give birth, beget."

Sense of "device that converts energy to mechanical power" is 18c.; in 19c. especially of steam engines. Middle English also had ingeny (n.) "gadget, apparatus, device," directly from Latin ingenium.
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Thanks for your attention but I have to close now and go work on the battering ram under the hood of my car.

 

I used to call the Carrier a boat.
Just to get the goat of the Boatswain's mates.

 

What do you call those gas powered devices that hang off of boat.....and outboard __________?
See....LOL

 

I don’t bother because no one pays attention anyways, these kind of threads seem to have become the normal which is unfortunate. You take it as complaining I take it as trying to eliminate bullshit. However you want to see it is fine.[emoji3]. Oh and the nine pages was on the app so not sure if it displays different! I even took my socks off to double check.[emoji3][emoji3]. You re right though I shouldn’t complain, still a lot of good stuff here, apparently I’ve been in a pissy mood the last couple days.


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Is it wetter under water when it rains?

 

That was why I joined this group, to get an english lesson.

 

I am cranking the Engine City madman real loud today