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Technical Advice on painting flames.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by evintho, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. evintho
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    I plan to try my hand at flaming the roadster. I have a tiny bit of artistic talent and think I can make it look half way decent. I'll lay out my plan here and hopefully some of you HAMBers can provide some direction.
    The flames will only be on the right and left sides and will extend from the cowl, through the doors and into the bun panels. The body is painted with Kirker's single stage Hot Rod Black. I'll lay out the flame pattern with 1/8" tape then mask the entire car. Grease and wax the intended area and sand with 320, then tack. I'll be using a cheap HF purple gun with a 1.3mm tip. Colors will be yellow, fading to orange then fading to red tips. I want to shoot clear over just the flames. In addition, I'll be pinstripe outlining the flames in white.

    I guess the questions I have are mainly about the paint. Just like the rest of the car, I want to do it cheaply. I know I can get color in quarts but can I acquire the three colors in pints? Given the area involved I think a pint of each will do it. I'll get a quart of clear. Also, do I clear first then outline in white or outline then shoot clear over everything? Comments/insight good or bad are appreciated!
     
  2. Black_Sheep
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    You should be able to get colors in pints and clear by the quart
     
  3. bdynpnt
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    You can get paint by the pint use a catalyzed clear though get basecoat clearcoat colors with correct reducer .when you do the fade over reduce the colors and turn down your fluid flow practice on some s**** before spraying your car IMG_20150503_180605802_optimized.jpeg

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  4. bdynpnt
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    And if you put down a white base you will have much more vivid and bright colors and they will take less paint to do it too

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  5. RMR&C
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    I like to use a touch up gun. You need a real fine atomization. If you must use the HF gun, practice first.
     
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  6. evintho
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    All good tips and advice! Keep it comin'!
     
  7. You will probably have plenty of paint to do a learning test on a spare panel. Maybe think about mixing some of the yellow with the orange and the orange with the red to blend in 5 stages instead of 3 for a softer fade.
     
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    The white base coat is extremely important. If you spray directly over the black, your yellows will look greenish. As bdynpnt said, all the colors will pop more with the white base.
    Something else I have done:
    Spray the white base then tape off the outline with 1/8" tape
    Spray the flames
    Remove the 1/8" tape
    Clear over everything

    I prefer to have the striping done afterward because it blends the edge of the flames. But, I can't pinstripe worth a darn.
     
  11. blowby
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    HF used to sell a siphon touch up gun with a gl*** jar and tube feed, I don't see it anymore. I guess it's all HVLP now, they do show a touch up gun.

    I painted flames on my car years ago but soon tired of them, mostly just wasn't the right car. Make sure it's what you want. There's a myriad of vinyl flame decals out there, cheap enough to use for a test.

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  12. HOTRODPRIMER
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    I would suggest getting the flames pinstriped with a color that contrast with the paint on the car, like the blue outline on the flames blowby posted, it cleans & defines the edge. HRP
     
  13. RMR&C
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    Do you plan on laying them out freehand or using a stencil? There are quite a few different flame stencils available in different styles and sizes. Google search.
    It can be difficult to get both sides the same without a stencil/pattern.
     
  14. bdynpnt
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    The way I get them symmetrical is lay out one side then use masking paper to cover flames then use a lead pencil not a pen to trace along the edge of the tape then flip the paper over and line it up .i take a single edge razor blade and cut along the tracing .it will leave a slight cut more like a scratch in the paint .i use as a guide and tape just outside the scratches and makes it exactly the same on both sides .

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    That's how I've done it and except for the hood you can be pretty far off and nobody can tell. You can't see both sides of the car at the same time.
     
  18. fordrodsteven
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    I recently did some bodywork repair and paint on my nieces off topic car. I went to a place that sells / mixes touch up paint specific to the manufacturer codes. They supply a small bottle of the paint and a pressurized atomizer that screws onto the bottle where the cap is removed. It worked very nicely. I used it to spray the front corner of the quarter panel. It was kind of right between a touch up gun and an airbrush. You might investigate that option.

    The box says; Preval amazing spray system. Also on the box it says www.youtube.com/prevalspraygun. 1300 E.North St, Coal City, IL 60416. WWW.preval.com
     
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  19. bdynpnt
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    That is correct

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  20. evintho
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    Will do! Was trying to score it online 'cause it's usually cheaper but in this case, I'm better off biting the bullet and going local. Too many variables.
    Do you guys have any pics of your DIY flame jobs? Not to judge, just to get ideas!
     
  21. bdynpnt
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    34 chevy IMG_20150531_115921703_HDR_optimized.jpeg

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    Left side IMG_20150503_180114383_optimized.jpeg

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    Fender IMG_20150822_123414793_HDR_optimized.jpeg

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    Mailbox IMG_20140921_154340448_optimized.jpeg

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  25. tb33anda3rd
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    when I paint flames or a blend of colors I mix the colors together, between the two colors. for example I spray the white, then mix 50/50 with yellow, make a blend, then just yellow, then mix 50/50 with orange, blend etc......
    if you were closer I would give you some "left over" colors, that is what I use. is there a shop near you you could get some from?
     
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  26. dana barlow
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    Hope your planning on flames being high gloss. I love flames,an run them on all my racecars. One thing that helps fames show up much better is too start out red in front and move to yellow at tips.=Backword from the way lots do them,but looks way better to me,as they show up better! This pic is early 60s Image-28.JPG
     
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  27. jimgoetz
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    Here's some that aren't high gloss Ha Ha. Not a very good picture and they looked a lot better after I stripped them in blue. This must have been a long time ago. I haven't had that much hair in years. filename-1.jpg
     
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  28. dana barlow
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    Striping sets off flames well. On one of my many racecars,I air brushed a dragon on right front,as a place the flames were coming from. I'm adding white strips in pic. Had too give up repainting the Dragon,too many other racers tryed to kill the Dragon, LOL
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