just for fun the history of early fords, here we go, 1903 to 1905= The origional model "A" aka the "Fordmobile" powered by a flathead 2 cylinder producing 8hp 1904-1905= Model C powered by a flathead 2 cylinder producing 10hp 1904-1905= model AC a model a with a model c motor, a factory option 1905-1906= model F powered by a 2 cylinder motor 1906-1908= model K powered by a inline 6 making 40 hp the first 6 cylinder motor ford produced, and didnt make another 6 cylinder motor untill 1941 only 800 model ks were made also made a model C in the 30's but i dont know muck about them 1906-1908= model n 4 cylinder motor making 15hp 1907= model R same ch***is as the N 1907-1909= model S same ch***is as the N 1908-1927= model T 4 cylinder motor making 20hp 1925-1927= model TT different frame and rear axle for truck use. 1927-1928= model AR an early version of the A using bolth model a and model t parts ex. E-brake on the drivers left hand side 1928-1931= model a 4 cylinder motor producing 40hp 1932-1934=model B some cars came with a 4 cylinder motor similat to the model a motor but with a 3 stud water pump mount instead of the model a's four stud also a place on the block for a fuel pump. also made a model C in the 30's but i dont know muck about them
I thought the 4-banger pickups only came along after the V8-60 was phased out. Even then they were actually 9N tractor engines and much smaller in displacement. -Dave
The pickups were N series, same as tractor except for pan and minor stuff. I think about 122 CI. A Model B would certainly smoke one of those. The B also stayed in production in England and Germany (and also in Russia, later China, under the GAZ flag). The Europeans quickly figured out that the 60 was useless in anything heavier than their model 62 cars, and ignored Ford's idea that it would replace the banger in trucks. German B powered trucks were made up into the 1960's, Russian stuff into the 1970's perhaps.
The way I hear it on the Model A message boards is that the GAZ tooling for B engines was as good as sold to one of the big A parts suppliers here shortly after the Soviet Union broke up. He was all set to load the stuff and pay for it when the Russian Mafia showed up and informed him of the rest of his fees. He left the country that night and the B tooling hasn't been heard from since. -Dave
32s with a 4 cyl. are model B's (4 bangers have a different firewall) any 33 on up ford with a 4 cyl. in it >>you just say: "its a 4 cyl." (this includes pickups.) thats how it works, even today in late model cars, you just call it a 4 ------- example: hey lookit that 40 ford pickup, it has a 4 cyl. that 33 five window has a 4 cyl. etc... otherwise they were mostly V8s the FLATHEAD, FLATDOG, FLATTY, HENRYS FLAT MOTOR, PAIN IN THE ***, V8-60, etc...
Wow, for the way this post started and got slammed, it sure has been informative in multiple areas....thanks for all who had something to add to it.....I even found out about the sky...What a site!!! Skot
Well, this thread has been very educational for me! I had no idea a '32 4-banger was a Model B but a '32 V8 was not. My thanks to LeadFoot for asking the original question.
I wouldn't harp to much on the bash post. I mean www.google.com and "Ford Model B" isn't that hard to type. But this has been a good thread to read. Here's the first hit when I did the above: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Model_B
BVM, nice idea, but there's a lot of bunk information out there and this is an easy way to get it. That Wikipedia entry, for instance, was way off the last time I read it. It said everything Ford produced after '31 was a Model B. -Dave
To throw a little more confusion and ambiguity into the murk, go read some '32 Ford brochures and books...4 was always "the improved four" or "4 cylinder models". I am not sure whether Model B was used in print...gotta go look at some bookage. I believe very early on, "Improved Model A" might have been used, even. AND--Model B's for the first months of production left the factory with serial numbers beginning "AB", not "B", and their actual numbers began with 5,000,000, a rough continuation of Model A sequence. I haven't read through any sales lit in quite a while, but beyond the "B" on serial numbers and the B prefixes in the parts book, I am not at all sure Ford even used the designation.
Hello, I happened to stop and look at a b head sitting next to an A head the other night. It looks like the B heads have more cross section in the ports as well as a lower floor on the short turn, which usually helps flow #'s. It would be interesting to see what B head could do compared to an A head on the dyno. When all you got is 45 hp picking up five is huge, right? Jeremiah
B ports in block are considerably different from A--"Secrets" magazine ran some flow tests on A ports and promised a B followup, but so far hasn't delivered...
Good B places: http://user.aol.com/bpanews/modb.html http://idisk.mac.com/forever4/Public/index.htm#***orted A new hobby for those with too many bangers lying around... http://user.aol.com/bpanews/
Just to add to the confusion, WE had a Model C in the UK - it was a 10hp rated 4 door version of the Model Y...
Hey Dave, Are you saying that the Wikipedia entry is now more correct than before? This could be true, Wiki's are usually living do***ents. That was the first time I have seen that entry so I have no history to compare to. Anyway, isn't this the way it usually goes with old Ford stuff? There always seem to be multiple exceptions to the "rule".
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