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A ticking Throwout Bearing

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by HotRodRick49, Oct 12, 2008.

  1. HotRodRick49
    Joined: Nov 1, 2006
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    Weird question...

    Pressure plate, clutch disc, and throwout bearing are brand new, not even 200 miles on them. Any time I put my foot on the clutch, I get a loud ticking noise, and it's only getting louder.

    Its a 52 EAB Flathead. Any ideas to what it could be, and how to fix it, without pulling everything out?

    Thanks.
     
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  2. Shifty Shifterton
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    What's the history before the clutch replacement?

    Need a little more info before speculation can begin to narrow it between a clutch issue and an engine thrust bearing issue.

    Good luck!
     
  3. Tony
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    Does it make the noise while your depressing the clutch, or just if you set your foot on it, like resting it there?
    Only reason i ask is when i put a new clutch, bearing etc in my 53 after about 50 miles it started doing the same thing...
    Especially when i would just rest my foot on it, that was when it was the loudest.
    It turned out i had the clutch adjusted a bit to tight, i loosened it up to relieve the pressure off the bearing and the noise was gone, and has been since. About 2500 miles on it now and quiet..
    May not be your problem, just figured i'd throw it out there just in case.

    Tony
     
  4. HotRodRick49
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    Its loudest when I rest it there, but continues when its fully depressed, as soon as it's let off of, it stops.

    How do I go about adjusting the clutch? I've never had to do it before, but I'm ready to do it.
     
  5. Tony
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    Man, that's exactly what mine did..exactly..
    I'm ***uming you have a mechanical linkage...If so, there should be a threaded rod somewhere that can be adjusted to move the engagement point of the pedal either up or down. Probably have a jam nut against it to lock it in place..
    I'm not positive on how flat head set up's are, but they have to be somewhat similar to any mechanical set up..
    You will want to move it down a little so that you have to move your pedal more before it engages..
    Right now, IF your problem is what mine was, your pedal is actually applying a little pressure to the bearing even though your not actually depressing the clutch....
    Just for the hell of it, does your clutch start to disengage toward the top of the pedal throw?
    Again, your situation may be different, but it sure wouldn't hurt to give it a shot..
    The only thing that has me wondering if this is your problem or not is when you said it stop's when it's all the way out in your last post.
    Mine didn't stop, it was just a little quieter...loudest when i just rested my foot there though.
     
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  6. HotRodRick49
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    The car is in the body shop right now, and I'm going to give a hand on wednesday, I'll check out the problem, and adjust it a little at a time to see if it changes things. Thanks guys!
     
  7. junk yard kid
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    i had a volkswagon that would do that but it was cause of these wierd clips that held the bearing in would touch it. it adjusting doesnt help i would use a flashlight and mirror to try and look at it for adnormal wear marks
     
  8. Brad54
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    Sounds like the same problem I had on my '54 Special, too.
    turned out my reman'd clutch disc had the rivets that hold the spring plate in the center of the disc fail. The noise was from that sheetmetal piece coming in contact with the flywheel. It eventually led to failure of the pilot bearing, which led to failure of the input shaft bearing.

    take things apart and see what's going on. I thought it was linkage too, and sometimes it would adjust and sound just fine, and then it would start making the noise again.

    -Brad
     
  9. soonrodder
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    Hello,
    What was it in the end?
    My 36er Coupe does the exact same thing since today. Resting the foot only a little on the pedal, causes the noise. Let it go free - no noise.
    So it would be a big help if you could tell what it was....
    Thanks a lot
    Michael
     
  10. Boneyard51
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    Hot Rod Rick, if you have a “ ticking” throw out bearing, it is “ time” to change it!



    sorry just couldn’t resist!






    Bones
     
  11. bobss396
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    I was going to answer since the guy is local to me... post is old as the hills. The one in my car was noisy at 2500 RPMs, but quieted down in a short time period. A Zoom item, but hecho en China...
     
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  12. Boneyard51
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    Bob, I missed that! Folks do that from time to time! Lol




    Bones
     
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  13. soonrodder
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    Hi all,
    Changed my throw out bearing.
    The sound is still there.
    Same thing:
    Feed rested or clutch pressed tiking noise.
    So, what now??
    Thanks for any help.
    Have to take it appart again...I guess...
    Really not sure what to do next...
     
  14. soonrodder
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    Hello together,
    Seems as one of the arms is a little loose. Only a few millimeter. But they look differently worn from my opinion. Could this make a rattling noise also, even under load from the TOB?
    Or can you see from the photos any problem, which can occur the rattling noise...?
    Thanks again for any help
     

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  15. soonrodder
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    Hello, now I re***embled all the parts.
    Two arms made a noise when the pressure plate was mounted. Now dis***embled laying on the bench - no noise from equal which part....clutch also no noise by shaking it....what could it be??
     

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  16. soonrodder
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    Here you can hear the noise.
    Thanks for any help
     
  17. soonrodder
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    And the play and noise in the middle of the clutch...
    Is that normal...?
     
  18. soonrodder
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    Hi all, I found the problem!!
    To close this thread, I would let you know what the problem was.
    The springs from the clutch disc scratched on the flywheel screws!
    I needed to grind the heads down.
    The more the clutch disc mimizes the thickness, the more the springs scratches on the screw heads.
    Now I made everything new.
    Clutch disc, throw out bearing, pressure plate and so on.
    Thanks for all the answers!
    Michael
     

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  19. soonrodder
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    You will not believe this!
    The noise is back.
    Now I do not an idea what else it could be...
    Perhaps you can tell me more on your experience.
    I changed everything you can think of and it was gone...now the noise is back...
     
  20. jimmy six
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    Don’t rest your foot on the pedal. First thing my dad showed me in 1959. I set the pedal with 1/2” play. For thinner cap screws I have gone to automatic flex plate cap screws 1/2x20’s I use Pontiac since the still have a slight shoulder.
    Not your problem but I have found a flywheel touching the starter gear only when the clutch was near all the down. Some starter have a aluminum shim included with them to remove the starter motor from the aluminum mount. The crankshaft moved just enough fo a pinging sound.
     
  21. flathead4d
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    Go on the fordbarn.com web site and post your question there. I have see several complaints about poor quality new throw out bearing lately. Even ones supposedly made in the USA. What brand bearing do you have? Check with Fort Wayne Clutch (google it) and tell them your problem. They are excellent with flathead clutch ***emblies.
     
  22. soonrodder
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    Thanks again for all the hints and help.
    The car is so great runs and drives perfect.
    Only the clutch noise makes me crazy.
    Somtimes its more, sometimes less...
    I do not understand, why it was gone.
    I changed now everything I can think of.
    ...will check the starter, too.
    ..and ask Ford Barn and the clutch Gurus
    Stay safe..
     
  23. soonrodder
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    Hi my american friends....
    Bad news...the flywheel is scratching somewhere on the block.
    I measured the crankshaft play it is 0.17mm / 0,006692913 inch.
    I will let you know if I know something new.
     
  24. soonrodder
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    Guess what it was in the end...?
    The gear ring of the flywheel has moved over 7 mm into block direction. Not the whole diameter, only about a quarter.
    So it rubbed with the teeth on the edge of the block and mostly on the starter plate!!!
    Please see the pictures in the attachment.
    So this is way it was different after each start. Sometimes more and sometimes less.
    Also if the crankshaft moved only the 0.006 inch while touching the clutch pedal it rubbed on the plate and Block edge.
    Soooo happy it was not the Crankshaft or something else!!
    I hammered it back to the old position and will spot weld the gear ring to theflywheel at 8 points in diameter.
    What do you think about that?
    Thanks again for all your hints, recommendations and efforts you had.
    Hope this thread helps someone in future to fix this problem, which started as a clutch problem...
     

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  25. Gasser 57
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    Great to hear you figured it out. That was one issue I never heard of before. Thanks for checking back in to let everyone know your findings.
     
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  26. bobss396
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    That is a new one on me and I have flipped a few rings that had bad teeth. I had put a fancy name brand 427 flywheel on my '65 Belair years back, had a noise that was too loud to be a TOB, so we took it apart. The flywheel was made for an un-dampened disc (no springs) and the springs were hitting the flywheel.
     
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  27. soonrodder
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    Yes, this can make weird noises.
    I was really wondering, till I found it.
    Now got 500 miles on it - runs great!
     
  28. jimmy six
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    Ford guys who change out their starters to the new style that push to the flywheel have found this out. The original pulled in from the clutch side.
     

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