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Technical Hollow camshaft(s)

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by atch, Jul 7, 2020.

  1. atch
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    I've been told that some camshafts are hollow. I have NO idea of what brand or years this might apply to.

    Can someone enlighten me please?

    Note: I'm just looking for education here.
     
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  2. ClayMart
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    For some reason I want to say that Crosleys (Croslies?) used a hollow camshaft. Why does this kind of stuff get stuck in my brain? :(

    Also found it interesting that at least some Briggs & Stratton engines use a plastic camshaft. Wonder what kind of break-in process those require? :rolleyes:
     
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  3. 532r5
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    Had 89 Pontiac transport minivan with 3.8 v6. wife said car died. When I got it running it was only firing on 2 cylinders and no oil pressure. Cam snapped in 2. It was hollow.

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  4. OLDSMAN
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    The 2.3 ford engine had a hollow camshaft, but that helped oil the rocket arms as it was overhead cam
     
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  5. seb fontana
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    Crosley cams are hollow but only because they are drilled the whole length for oiling..
     
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  6. inthweedz
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    Did a head gasket on my O/T, BMW E36, OHC a few years back..
    It had a hollow cam, the manual said to use a SST to remove it, or the cam would break..
    I just left the last two bearing caps on with the valves under pressure in between, then removed the cap nuts evenly on each cap to release the pressure..
     
  7. Jmountainjr
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    Are you asking about OEM only? I know sprint car engines use gun drilled camshaft to save weight.
     
  8. Mike VV
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    Many motorcycle cams are hollow. Especially the high rpm engines.

    I'd bet that if the NHRA rules allowed it, the Pro Stock cams would be hollow too.
    But the NHRA is trying to cut the Pro Stock costs as much as possible, so that's out.

    "Gun drilling" is a common practice. The core of a round bar of most any material is all but useless. There is very little radial strength in the center.

    Look at a Top Fuel / Funny Car rear axle...it's a piece of tubing. Pro Stock axles are "gun drilled" also. The axles on MOST drag race cars have been gun drilled (if the owners can afford the extra cost of having it done) to remove a few...well some weight..!

    Mike
     
  9. atch
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    Anything. I'm just trying to learn something that I didn't know previously.
     
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  10. treb11
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    current (off topic) LS engines are hollow
     
  11. Jag and ford have been doing it for years in there v6’s

    splined and pressed lobes for a while too !!
     
  12. deathrowdave
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    Ford OT Coyote are hollow
     
  13. atch
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    So, to recap (at least until more replies are given):

    Crosleys seem to be the only H.A.M.B. friendly engines that have hollow camshafts.

    Not that it matters inasmuch as I'm only looking for information and education, but that's the way it appears to me so far.
     
  14. jaw22w
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    Splined lobes would be cool. If they were a 36 or 72 spline, you could play with the cams duration 5 or 10 degrees at a time.
     
  15. 1934coupe
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    Atcha I'm glad you asked the question because I didn't know that either. It is true, you do learn something new every day.

    Pat
     
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  17. Ericnova72
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    You wouldn't be playing with duration though....just lobe separation angle , lobe centerline, and overlap.
    Since the cam turns at half speed, that also doubles the amount of change per spline when measured at the crank...72 spline would be 5° at the cam but 10° at the crank....36 spline would double those numbers.
    You'd need 144 spline for this to be a useful feature.
     
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  18. jaw22w
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    Yep, you're correct. Just didn't give it enough thought.
     
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  20. Pete1
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    We have been drilling flathead Ford cams for lobe/lifter oiling since the 60's. Works good. Lobe oil hole.png
     
  21. ssssh, Smokey Yunick speed secret.....
     
  22. Terry Buffum
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    Supercharged Miller engines ran the supercharger drive through a drilled camshaft as the blowers were rear mounted (usually in the ****pit with the driver)..
     
  23. sunbeam
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    08 and 09 vipers had a cam in a cam that allowed LSA phasing.
     
  24. dirty old man
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    Post #19 demonstrates why we need a "dislike" ****on.
     
  25. Stueeee
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    "Kent" high lift cam fitted in my Avatar car. Gun drilled steel.
    [​IMG]
     
  26. jpm49c
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    Like this? it's a JOKE!
     

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  27. Pete1
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    That is no joke. Some of the very big prime mover engines (really BIG) have a cam ***embled like that except the lobes are taper keyed to the shaft. Sometimes you have to knock the keys loose and move the lobe over several inches to fit in the grinder. These cams are over 10 ft. long.
     
  28. ClayMart
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  29. Beanscoot
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    The Ford ****** 1.9 four cylinder used a very hollow camshaft, with a plastic stick thingy inside that took up most of the volume.

    For amu*****t I researched the plastic thingy part number and found it's an available Ford service part!
    :rolleyes:
     
  30. ClayMart
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    Something of a harmonic dampener? ? ? :confused:
     

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