Art & Inspiration So if you change the head and the handle, is it still grandpas hammer ?

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flamboyant confidence of style or manner.
"he entertained London society with great panache"

Surely not.........................I like the idea of feathers better...........

 

I don't.

 

Just ask Boyd Coddington! And I'd like to order one of them thar' screwpipehammerrackets; sort of like a Swiss Army Tool. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

 

All jokes aside, if you still have your bucket after 55 years, it certainly must have something going for it. Maybe it is 'panache'. And no, please don't add feathers...............................

 

Interesting thoughts on this subject. Well, time for more beer.

 

About as much as my " started in ' 68 " one ...LOL

 

I like ‘vandenplas’ idea,
call it a “Cobra - based on true events “

oh, and obviously the hammer is no longer grandpa’s as his original hammer is all gone ! - (sorry to break it to you all)

 

I don't think my grandpa had much to do with it...but I've spent most of my life "hammered"

 

No Ford parts

It was Fast Larry

 

Where does it start and end? Can a car with aftermarket patch panels still be called "a Henry Ford steel" car? We see that all the time.
I do think that a gl*** bodied car should say that right up front. I don't dislike people who enjoy fibergl*** cars, but it's not for me. I guess that's why most of my stuff is Tudor sedan.
When I see an ad that seems too good to be true, usually midway through the ad, they mention that it is fibergl***.

 

Funny story.
A gl*** 32 showed up at a friend of mines shop. Guy wasn’t a car guy, seen it at a local show for sale and bought it.
He took it my friends shop to improve some steering issues.
The guy had no clue what fibergl*** was or how 32s were built. It had a 350/350 and this guy just figured they were born that way.
The term “buyer beware” comes to mind. It was not represented as an authentic Ford. There is a certain amount of diligence needed on the buyers side.
Anyway, the steering was straightened out (worn out mustang box with a short pitman arm) and my friend repainted the car.

 

I don't see where he was trying to mislead anyone, or how else he could describe the car. He also does not claim it is original. It is established in the first sentence of the ad, what it is, and the rare part refers to the fact it is 1 of 2 of these fibregl*** bodies built.

1939 Lincoln Zephyr fastback
This is an extremely rare 1939 Lincoln Zephyr fastback fibregl*** body by Deco Rides one of two fast backs worldwide built in 2020

 

I don't see how it is 'extremely rare' if they are still building them.

 

I never said he was misleading anyone , what I asked was if the way he started his add stating it was a rare Lincoln zephyr was correct .
As opposed to a creation, fibregl*** build etc etc.
Kind of like the Roth builds it we never a **x it was a creation of his own mind.
To me that’s what this car is
It’s not a 39 zephyr , not even close its a fibregl*** body based of a heavily modified 39 zephyr.
So , if my cousins, buddies, uncles neighbours dog walker banged Madonna , does that mean I did cause I know a guy who knows a guy ?
I dunno
I need more beer

 

It's that bud "lite" that's messing up the thinking. . If grandpa fixed/repaired his hammer multiple times w/handles n heads, & then you got it from grandpa, or at least as long as it was someones' grandpa - it still was/is grandpas' hammer.
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The cars' % of OEM original-from-the-factory-as-installed-on-that-particular-car is a whole 'nuther deal. & even that depends on which car we're talking about. Will range from "Who in 'H' really Cares" to causing the courts involvement requiring a legal decision.
Marcus...

 

Ship of Theseus, or Woodsman's Axe. Interestingly, the article makes no mention of Aristotle's idea of "soul" being the shape in which material is formed, which would resolve the thing easily. In modern terms, the essence of a design is the information which describes it, and in cases like these the iden***y of the object is determined almost entirely by its design. The claim is (I shall say nothing about how validly) that it is a 1937 Lincoln Zephyr because it was made to the design of a 1937 Lincoln Zephyr.

The situation is complicated by it occurring in the context of artificial scarcity, the origins of which are both directly political (duplicability of the object is legally constrained in some way) and indirectly political (manufacturers adopt methods of manufacture —in this case unitary construction— specifically to make duplicability of the product conditional to privileged levels of capitalization.) It is this artificial scarcity on which "numbers matching" relies: the artificial scarcity in the requisite privilege to generate the numbers. As a design in itself, "1937 Lincoln Zephyr" is infinitely duplicable at no more than the marginal cost involved in thinking it; in reality it is much different.

The philosophy of type is interesting but it doesn't get enough love, especially in light of the extent to which type determines a large part of the world we inhabit. We don't worry about it because the ***umptions around type which enables "numbers matching" thinking are taken for granted. I'd rather see something quite different, an understanding of type as comprising sets of interface definitions which exist as cultural commons, and a polity to support it.

 

if you break your grandfather's hammer you do not replace the broken part, you replace the hammer and put grandpa's hammer in the in the top of your rollaway where you have all the other tools you don't use but keep anyway.

if you have a Cobra you sell it and buy an old car.

 

If the hammer retains some piece of grandpa’s hammer I would say yes. But we are talking about a hammer. Not a car.

 

As far as the hammer is concerned, if it was mine, I'm a grandpa, so it would still be "grandpa's hammer".

Now about the car thing, 30 years ago a guy built a truck from a pile of parts, but he had the ***le from the original truck cab. The frame was from another truck, and he had a ***le for it as well. He went into a local license agency and ask the lady what she thought he should do for the ***le. The lady asked him which one the vehicle most looked like. He held up one ***le and said "This one." Her reply was logical. "Then ***le it as that one." She went on to say "Lets say your driving through some hick town and they bust you in a speed trap for going 1 mph over the limit. The cop calls in your plate and is told the plate is registered to a 48 Chevy truck, but it looks like a 32 Ford truck. That cop is going to arrest you and confi****e your truck and hold you until they can't think of any more tickets they can add to the pile. You will never see the truck again, and you will be lucky to get out of jail yourself. If it looks like the 32 Ford truck, ***le it as a 32 ford truck. Then when you get busted in that speed trap, all you will get is the speeding ticket."

My take on that story? If it looks like a 32 Ford, ***le it as a 32 Ford. Calling it an original 32 Ford wouldn't be right, but I have no problem calling it a 32 Ford. IL ***le law states that a vehicle may be called a specific vehicle make or model if it was built to represent that vehicle's make and model, regardless of weather or not any of the original vehicles parts were used. Gene

 

Just don't ask a Bugatti owner this question

 

I like this thought.

I saved the original clock out of the '51 Ford I had in high school in the late fifties. When I got my current '51 Ford in '87, I installed the first clock in the second car.

When I got my new '67 Corvette coupe, the automatic choke didn't work well the first Minnesota winter, so I replaced it with a manual setup from the auto parts store and put the automatic choke mechanism in my sock drawer. Of course, when I got my second '67 Corvette coupe in 1987, I immediately installed the choke mechanism from the sock drawer on my current car.

In this vein, I like to think that I still have both of my original cars, only with LOTS of parts replaced.

 

WHOA......

 

Light beer isn't beer.
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I don’t see the whole “is it real” argument differently for fibergl*** cars then steel cars made almost totally out of patch panels, newly formed metal and aftermarket frames and other aftermarket parts.

 

The Ship of Theseus paradox is interesting because it also mentions, if every piece of the ship was replaced, and then someone built another ship out of all of the pieces that had been taken off to be replaced, which is the original ship?

There was a somewhat famous historical custom, I think it was a Carson top'd '40 Mercury but I can't seem to find it, where as someone "restored" the original car, but tossed away all of the body panels because they were too rough, and only reused the top from the original car, but still called it the restored original car. Then someone else bought up all of the cast-off sheetmetal that had been replaced and welded it together to make a car. There was a big fight on the HAMB about which one was the original car. A similar fight about the number of Grand Sport Corvettes has been raging for a while, as there were only 5 built but some cars were dis***embled, parts got spread out, and then re-***embled with extra parts to fill in the gaps, creating a couple of "extra" ones.

 

Hello,

This grandpa would not give his old hammer to anyone for fear of injuries from a broken handle. But, if the build in question was a “rare 1937 Lincoln Zephyr” in its build form, then it is, regardless of what is used underneath or inside. A modern ch***is to make it ride like a new factory car, a new motor for all necessary power and comforts inside, etc. aren’t going to be Zephyr, obviously, but what custom Zephyr is in their finished state can be an original?

Aren’t most hot rods modified to a point away from stock, due to the fact that it is the builder’s way to do things? We all had/have choices for any build from mild to highly modified. But, it does start somewhere.

Jnaki

As mild as any hot rod can be, it does start out as “stock” at one point. So, it is still Grandpa’s Zephyr or hammer in this case.

 

We had a family move in down the street 10 years ago, we still call them the new neighbors. If you think of grandpa every time you pick up the hammer, then its still gramps hammer.

 

Sure it is, it just isn't as heavy and that really helps us older guys trying to hump a 36 pack out of costco....

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there was a well-known st. louis dealer in antique cars whose customer made the papers when he purchased a repo auburn boattail speedster with a ford drivetrain for $75,000. a lot of gearheads made it known that the car was worth a third of that price; the press got involved, and the dealer said, "he had the money, and he wanted the car!"
the dealer wound up losing his license!