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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Trikerider, Jan 24, 2021.

  1. Trikerider
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    I picked up a 1957 Corvette travel trailer yesterday it had a bad tire so I took an extra wheel with me... almost all vintage trailers are the ford/mopar 4-1/2" 5 lug bolt pattern... The wheel barely fit and I was just able to get the lug nuts on it and get it home... I have a wheel bolt pattern sizer I got and tried to get the size... Its smaller than the 4-1/2" more like 4-3/8" has any of you heard of this size before ... Good thing is that I have the orig. rims just wondering about the goofy size
     

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  2. Budget36
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    Someone may have replaced the axle and the hubs are metric?
     
  3. Early dodge A body 5 on 4 1/4
     
  4. Early mopar A bodies are 5 on 4”


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  5. 1971BB427
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    I ran into this recently when I was at the wrecking yard looking for a space saver tire and wheel to put in the trunk of my '39 Chev with an 8.8" Ford rear axle. I went to the Ford section, and took my bolt pattern checker with me. Every wheel I picked up was some crazy bolt pattern that wouldn't fit my wheel checker! I finally found a 5x4.5" tire and wheel, but it was tougher than I thought.
    When I got home I did some searching and found that Ford had changed their bolt pattern to 5x4.25" on a bunch of the newer models!

    FORD TAURUS 86-04

    FORD THUNDERBIRD 89-04

    FORD WINDSTAR 95-03

    FORD FREESTAR 2004

    JAGUAR S TYPE 00-04

    JAGUAR X TYPE 02-04

    LINCOLN CONTINENTAL 91-03

    LINCOLN LS 00-04

    MARK 8 93-98

    MERCURY COUGAR 89-97

    MERCURY SABLE 86-04

    MERCURY MONTEREY 2004
     
  6. Harv
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    The first 30-odd years of GM Holdens had 5x4.25" stud pattern... though I'm guessing your trailer isn't running Aussie axles :p. Pretty common pattern for Down Under - our Ford Cortinas, Capris and Telstars got that pattern too.

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
  7. brading
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    Sound like a 112mm PCD trailer wheel.
     
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  8. gimpyshotrods
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    I'd either swap the hubs, or drill and tap a second pattern in them.

    That way, if you have a wheel issue out on the road, you can get going again.
     
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  9. MAD MIKE
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    5 x 108mm pattern. AKA Volvo 240 BP. Newer non Mustang Fords also use this pattern. But watch the lugnut holes, they may be a bit larger than your typical lug nut.
     
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  10. Trikerider
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    no its all origonal
     
  11. Trikerider
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  12. Trikerider
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    thanks for that info kinda weird tho that this bolt pattern is from that far back
     
  13. grumpy65
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    I think this is the answer. As far as I know, it was done so trailer wheels could not be used on cars. I could be wrong though..................
     
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  14. bill gruendeman
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    I think small mopar (6 cylinder), I am not a mopar guy does 4 1/4 go back that far?
     
  15. Still nope, small mopar is 5 on 4”


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  16. lippy
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  17. 56sedandelivery
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    Trailer wheel; try an RV outlet/parts dept. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
     
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  18. Mr48chev
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    Does it have a regular trailer axle under it or does it have a fabricated axle using old car spindles?
    My 16 flat bed trailer has axle that have what I am pretty sure are early 50's Mopar spindles, backing plates and hubs on them. I've been in a high school ag shop that had a jig that you put spindles in and then aligned a piece of tubing to make a trailer axle and I pretty well think the trailer was built in that shop. Back in the late 50's running to the local wrecking yard to get hubs and spindles off a specific model of car to dress up and weld to an axle wouldn't have been that strange.
     
  19. dwollam
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    '33-'35 (Approx) Chevy Standard used 5 0n 4.25! Couldn't give those wire wheels away!

    Dave
     
  20. grumpy65
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    Yep, mm. Check out the following bit of info off the US website BB WHEELS.

    " The 5x112 bolt pattern is mainly associated with Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, and Volkswagen cars."

    Being a stud pattern used in the European market, it will be stated using the metric system.
    It can be converted to inches if you like, but the correct description would be in millimeters.

    Converted, it would be 4.40944881889 inches.
    Just for your sake, lets go with 4.375" (four and three eighths). 111.125mm to be precise. :)

    Much more info out there.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

     
  21. My bet is that's something obscure... Studebaker, Nash, maybe even something used on agricultural equipment. The trailer manufacturer wouldn't have been a high volume user in the automotive sense, so may have made a deal with a wheel/hub manufacturer rather than use a more mainstream (and probably costlier) wheel and hub.
     
  22. I think grumpy65 has nailed it. I recall hearing something like this some years ago.
    ;)
     
  23. sunbeam
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  24. grumpy65
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    I think @brading answered the question first.

     
  25. brading
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  26. I read - it bolted up but not all the way on - early Mopar hubs had large center holes - like the only thing that fits an early Jeep is a Jeep wheel - or cut out the center on an old Ford truck wheel. Hope that's it - the center is just not large enough.
     

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