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55 210 Wagon Progress

Discussion in 'Off Topic Hot Rods & Customs' started by MP&C, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Johnboy34
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  2. chopolds
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    Absolutely amazing, from start to finish, for everyone involved!
     
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  4. 0NE BAD 51 MERC
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    Robert. Maybe your next shop equipment purchase should be an enclosed trailer!! lol Larry
     
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    Trailers are for boats


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  6. MP&C
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    Larry, I had one and got rid of it. Sat too much not being used.
     
  7. MP&C
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    Back when we were shaving all the holes in the firewall, the dimmer switch in the floor actually went THROUGH the floor where the connections were made on the outside, and only the push actuator stuck through the floor. Not wanting anymore electrical connections outside the floor than needed, we welded up the center hole, and kept the floor nuts to bolt the new one inside.. Any never gave it any more thought. Until this weekend. Our dimmer switch, a DS115 has a bolt pattern of about 1.75" between hole centers. The factory nuts are about 2.625" between hole centers. Oh well, back up and punt has become second nature with this project..

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    So we started by fabricating an "adapter bracket" using 16 gauge stainless and a 1/4-20 press stud.

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    Next, the left bolt needed to be 1/4-20 to fit in the hole of our dimmer switch and with the floor hole at 5/16-18, we need another adapter. So two set screws of appropriate size were welded together, and this allows using an allen wrench to install and hold while tightening the nuts to hold down the dimmer switch.

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    The right screw remains 5/16-18 through, but we are going to find something with a smaller (shorter) profile for under the carpet.

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    …..with plenty of room for the wiring inside

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    Mike and Jarod got the fuel tank along with fill and vent tubes installed...



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  8. MP&C
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    A while back I picked up some used body tools, including this bumper puller/straightener (red handle).
    This tool works by placing the pad against the bumper face, hooking the top or bottom back edge (depending on direction of pull needed) and prying to twist back into shape.. The rubber pad was about falling off, with exposed rivets, but since I was just hanging it up as wall art, didn't think much past that..

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    Fast forward to last weekend, and a square body 4WD stopped by, which has the typical bumper ears not parallel to the ground. So I pulled the tool out to show the owner that there was indeed a way to repair that. And then decided we need to go ahead and repair the tool so it could be put back in service for when the next time the truck stopped by...

    First order of business was to remove the old fender bolt and nut and replace with a machine bolt and lock nut.

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    Next, for our "replacement" pad, we had a small piece of horse mat we could cut it out of, and one of our counterbore bits was used to get the screw heads below the surface..

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    The pad was held in place using 10-32 pan head screws and lock nuts.


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    So now our wall art is all ready for next time...
     
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  9. lothiandon1940
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    Back to usable condition. Love it.
     
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  10. MP&C
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    Some weekend progress... Fine tuning the rear bumper fitment.

    Driver's side fits well to the profile of the rear of the quarter...

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    Passenger side not so much, so the bumper is marked with some fineline tape for where we will sand down the edge to better match..

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    Leading edge of drivers side needs some trimming...

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    ….as does the center section behind the tail pan..

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    Next, in order to test fit the front bumper and provide the same "trim fitting" we will need to install the doors and front fenders. So our hinges got some new braid loom and a pull wire installed for the hidden wiring..

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  11. MP&C
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    More progress on the wagon, more bumper action. Part of the problem with using three pieces to form the bumper with a nice wide bumper guard to hide the overlaps, is there is less of a smooth transition from end to end. So in using those individual parts to make a single bumper, we need to trim to correct this. While on the car, painters tape is used to lay out a smooth transition from end to end.

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    An air body saw is used to cut off the bulk and roloc sander for cleanup afterward...

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    Jared has been helping out with the bumpers, here making tight fitting plugs to fill in the old bolt holes for a smooth look on the outside.

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    Our front bumper center section had a bit more damage to repair, the center section showed it had been used to pull/tow/?? in a previous life... As the car was pulled, it added some creases as the center pulled outward..

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    A bit of off-dolly with a rather large hammer and we're much better now.

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    The center section also had a stepped flange on either end so the outer pieces would be flush when mounted. As we are making one-piece bumpers, the step is trimmed to length and the step is flattened using a precision flattening device..

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    Next, we wanted shaved fasteners but also still wanted some fine-tune adjustability. So that eliminates the old weld bolts on the back side caper.. Next option was a bracket that accepted the carriage bolt but also allowed some adjustment side to side. This design was graciously shared with us by Laszlo Nobi (aka Chevynut) as he had done on his 56 Nomad build (see here: https://www.trifivechevys.com/showthread.php/5013-Nomad-final-assembly ). So we started with 2 x 2 x 1/4" thick square tubing. The 1/4" thickness allows for the height of the "square" of the carriage bolt, and we cut down on the width to just enough for the carriage bolt diameter, both to minimize size of the bracket and also to minimize the tendency for the center of the bracket to pull outward.

    Square tubing is cut to length and sliced and diced as shown...

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    Adjacent parts are beveled to insure full penetration on the 1/4" thick material..

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    A 7/16 hex nut is used to maintain the 3/8 width so our weld does not close up the slot when the weld shrinks while cooling..

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    The part is then cleaned up, here is our finished part that will weld to the back side of the bumper...



    Meanwhile Mike has been working on electrical wiring, here getting the interior light wiring in place so we can load up and take to the upholsterer for headliner installation..

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  12. rockable
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    Slick trick on the bumper bolts! I've got that one stored in my memory!
     
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  13. MP&C
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    Well we are about to get started on some automotive electrical work when the wagon returns from Upholstery, and in an attempt to limit/eliminate any need for butt splices, I was looking around for various automotive "W" crimp terminals that were available. I found a gem of a store, www.repairconnector.com that carries much of the old style crimp on terminals, as well as some of the newer stuff. We do have some new light fixtures going in, and to help in eliminating excessive connections (ie: butt splices) I found they carry the replacement terminals for lamp base sockets.. (and terminals for fuse blocks, and.....)

    Some of the terminals we just picked up from Repair Connector
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    Typical replacement light housing has pigtails that will require some type of splice...
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    These terminals will help us get rid of some splices..
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    If you have a need to repair/replace any of your automotive electrical wiring, give them a look, they may have something you can use..
     
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  14. lothiandon1940
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    Thanks for the tip regarding repairconnector, Robert. I'll be checking them out........Don.
     
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  15. Baumi
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    Awesome work and great attention to details!
     
  16. MP&C
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    Wagon update, we stopped by Norris Upholstery on Saturday to check on the progress and go over some door panel design ideas. Getting closer!

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    Back in the shop, Mike and I got the assembly line action going on the hidden bumper brackets. These weld to the back side of the bumpers for hidden fastening and the slot allows for slight adjustment side to side. This idea was shared with me by Laszlo Nobi.

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  17. Good idea, but won't you have to modify all the bumper brackets to account for these?
     
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  18. MP&C
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    We are tucking the bumpers in closer anyhow, so there are already modifications...
     
  19. MP&C
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    Busy weekend, Norris Upholstery is in the process of getting the door panels done..

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    We plan on using the original stainless that was used on the door panels but some of the factory "nails" that get folded over were very fatigued and in some cases, gone..

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    To try and fix these we needed a machine that would weld on new nails, which were originally .06 diameter. Using a dent puller stud welder would require resistance welding, which means heat generated. Not good. We have a local sign shop, A&A MetalWorks, that has a Capacitive Discharge stud welder that does not produce the same type of heat.. He did not have the small studs needed so I picked up some of the type that fits the dent puller. Since a collet was needed, Allen dropped off one of his larger collets and Mike became more fluent on a worn out South Bend this weekend, making a collet so we could do a trial run... Here's a collet for a 1/4-20 stud, our sample...

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    Our fabricated collet, borrowing some parts from the sample...

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    Testing out the welder, we did have to reshape the ends of the studs to have a point, much like the 1/4-20 sample above, but here are the results.. As you can see there is no appreciable heat introduced into the panel, no heat mark, no distortion. A stress test performed using pliers showed the metal would pull inward and the stud still did not release..

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    With our trial run complete and deemed a success, Allen is ordering some 14 gauge pins to fit his machine so we won't need to modify them. The size goes up about .01, from .06 to .074, but they seemed plenty malleable to bend over for trim retention. I'll add, these CD stud welders work on steel, stainless, or aluminum.

    Needing to put a fork in our bumper bolt brackets, the inside slots needed cleanup work and the 12" disc sander seemed ideal for doing such. But some clearance was needed on the machine..

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    All ready for welding..

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    Lastly, we visited the last known remaining milk truck from the Leonardtown Dairy. It had been sold to a local waterman, who used its refrigeration capability to store crabs and oysters. Needless to say, it wreaked havoc on what remained of the truck, the lower sides had been patched over with galvanized sheet metal long ago. It did give us enough details to capture what we need for lettering/sign painting the Divco, our next shop project.

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  20. Johnboy34
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  21. MP&C
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    Thanks!

    Time for a wagon update, all of our mounting holes in the bumpers are filled, and the three pieces assembled into one..

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    How our brackets will work....

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    With brackets clamped in place the "weld locations" are found by starting with centerline of the bumper, adjusting to actual offset of the car, and locating the spacing needed.

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    Jared and I add some tweaks to fine tune ear placement and test our tig welds at the same time..

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    In the meantime, Mike is doing some cleanup of the door stainless, bumping up dings, filing, and taking to a Trizact 5000 finish. Then we'll get the studs welded on and final polish..

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  22. TFoch
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    Going to be a nice clean look!
     
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  23. MP&C
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    Thanks!! #fingerscrossed


    Back to our door panel stainless, the correct studs came in for the CD stud welder, and tests have shown them to provide the solution we need..

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    These studs have much less mass at the end, for a lesser capacitive charge needed.

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    Tested on a piece of 19 gauge steel, note the back side has no discoloration whatsoever. Allen used a pair of Vise grips to give it a twist test to see if the weld would release. Where the one that is cut got too close to the cutters, the others did not release, and in fact distorted the shape of the metal because they held so well. The one pin shows a good 90* bend, which is what will be used to hold the stainless onto the door panel per the same design as original.

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    And now for the next wrench thrown in our bumper modifications.. Welding causes shrinking, so TIG welding the slotted brackets onto the back side of the bumper invariably causes flat spots on the front side of where the brackets reside.. So some quick work on the South Bend to make a purpose built punch so we can do some metal bumping on the bumper..

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    ….or the motion picture visual....



    And after a bit of metal bumping, we have the area down to less than a 1/32 depression, which should be just fine for the copper stage of plating..

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    Note the minimal gap behind the straightedge. One down, three to go...

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  24. 56sedandelivery
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    Dang! You do know some of us want to see this car "DONE"!!! It's going to be a show piece for sure.
    I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
     
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  25. MP&C
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    Butch, I am right there with you. BELIEVE ME! :D


    In another back up and punt moment, we found some interference with the new bumper brackets and the rear tailpan. In order to tuck things in nice and close, we need to trim a portion of the rear channel in the tail pan. Nothing a pair of tin snips and a file can't resolve. Pay no attention to that green paint. The bare edges will be touched up with SPI epoxy primer..

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    Our final test fit on the back bumper before chroming:



    On to our tail light hidden fuel fill...…



    This thing had been giving us fits in intermittent operation, and it hasn't even been exposed to water yet. Looking at the wiring (why can't we keep the colors consistent through?)…..

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    Well this isn't part of the problem... found a couple loose terminals..

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    So we decided to eliminate the original trailer connector and term board connections and replace with Weather Pack connectors. The relays will be mounted behind the rear seat for a closer proximity to the tail light, and the DPDT toggle switch will be replaced with a DPDT momentary rocker.

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  26. MP&C
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    So part of our fitment exercises with the bumpers has been to get them in a little closer to the body for more consistent gaps to the body. The rear bumper had it's challenges with needing to notch out the lower lip of the tailpan.

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    The front would be no different. The front nose of the frame rails was hitting the rear side of the factory brackets and preventing us from locating the bumper for a good consistent gap..

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    So some modification was in order so that the frame horn could fit in closer to the rear side of the bumper..

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    We now have a much better fit..

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  27. Boatmark
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    Like Butch I can’t wait to see the completed car. But at the same time I hate to see the thread end. I’m guessing I’m not the only one who has learned a lot by following this build. Hopefully there will a next project in your shop you are willing to devote the time to documenting for us.

    Thanks again for taking the time to bring us along for the ride.
     
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  28. HOTRODPRIMER
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    I too am looking forward to seeing the Nomad come to a completion, Robert and his crew have done a amazing and methodical build, not for the faint at heart.

    His attention to detail is akin to being anal but the proof is here in the photo's, I hope there is a big article in one of the magazines in the future that gives Robert the credit he is due. HRP
     
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  29. MP&C
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    Thanks for the kind words fellas...

    Next one will be a Divco Milk truck, painted to match the trucks that used to be at our local Dairy many decades ago.


    So we've started on our wiring, what can go wrong? First item on the list is the interior lights, we had run the wires before the headliner went in. We had installed a second light just behind the rear seat and the plans were to gang it to the front light by putting two wires into a 12 gauge pin in the weatherpack connector. This should be a 5 minute job.
    Only the weatherpack connector would not fit inside the void in the ceiling. Since we don't intend on using butt splices, we had tried installing two wires previously into the w-crimp lamp base contacts as shown:

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    This sample we did using the red Teflon insulation fit inside the brass "tubes" of the lamp base perfectly. But the insulation on AAW wiring is much thicker. Ahhh, the dominoes they do fall. So let's see what we can do to modify the brass tubes to better accept the wiring going in. Our local Ace hardware has a good selection of "model" tubing in aluminum and brass, so with fingers crossed, we picked up the 3/16 size.

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    The ID measured out to .154, about .010 larger than what the lamp base came with. The outside diameter of the tube was turned down on the lathe to a size that would play nice inside the plastic housing and not bind on the spring.

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    Some aluminum bar stock was drilled with a tight clearance hole for our new tube, and served as a fixture to swage one end for spring retention. Sorry, missed pictures of some of the details (fire the photographer). The opposite end was swaged after insertion into the housing..

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    With the tubes now sized for two wires, we got the front light installed. The rear light and its single wires should now be a breeze.

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  30. MP&C
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    Progress from yesterday, while Jared was blocking out some of the window garnish moldings, I worked on the door panel stainless trim to ready them for stud welding. Mike had used the trim repair tool to remove the dings, which were then filed smooth.

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    The last 65 years had left their mark; we had numerous scratches needing removal as well. We started with 320 grit on the fine pattern palm sander, and progressed our way up to 8000 grit trizact..

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    This is the final using the 8000 grit, and we'll start the buffing process once the stud welding had been completed..



    With the stainless prepped, we turned attention to the window garnishes. They were sprayed with three coats of SPI epoxy.

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    Today we went to A&A Metalworks in Ridge MD to get the studs welded in place. This sample shows the studs, where three have been folded over to a 90. This is how the factory held them onto the door panels as well. Note the back side shows no heat pattern with the Capacitive Discharge welder.

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    Welding the studs onto the stainless trim...



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    A test to check the heat the welder introduces into the panel..



    This shows these welders make a good choice to use where cases of heat sensitivity may be an issue.
     
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