Was at the junk yard yesterday and found an early '60s Dodge flat bed truck. Had a big block in it (4bbl), with 413 valve cover decals on it. It's been a long time since I've had to deal with Mopar stuff, and my brain must have purged most good info...Is there any reason to pull this 413? I mean, specifically, are the heads worth grabbing, etc. etc. etc. I won't keep the engine, since I don't have any mopar projects, and would do a 440 if I ever did have a Mopar project. But I'm always happy to get some parts to flip and re-invest in my shop and projects. I'm sure I could get the engine for $200 or less, but can I then part out the engine and make it worth the h***le? -Brad (damn, "use it or lose it" is right! I used to know this stuff inside out and backwards...)
Well, if anything, the steel crank is a direct bolt in for a 440. Uh, YEAH, grab it. It IS a big block, ever hear of a MAX WEDGE? Good find. I was just about to make a post about 413 truck engines too, but mine were of the flathead six variety... Jay
Totally worth it. 413 make crazy amounts of power, and the earlier motors (67 and earlier) had forged cranks. Unlike some makes, mopars used the same blocks and castings in their hi-po stuff as they did in the regular stuff. Go for it
Check the flywheel flange. It may have the long flange used on the early wedge engines. They won't work with the newer transmissions. Dan
Now if i remember right the only real diffrence in a 413, 426, and a 440 is the bore everything else major is the same if you take a 413 bore it .40 you have a 426 wedge (and if memory serves 426 wedges use same bore as 383) if you bore a 413 .70 you have a 440 (but im cautious by nature and boring .70 isent for me) so a 413 is a good base for any big block dodge project also if i remember correct 413 with single 4 produces somwhere in the 350-375 HP range,PLEASE CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG, im working on old knowledge and my memeorys not so hot and i dearly dont want to tell false info. Cyric [ quote=DAHEMIKOTA]Check the flywheel flange. It may have the long flange used on the early wedge engines. They won't work with the newer transmissions. Dan[/quote]
I'd be interested in some of the truck-only tin work, oil filter canister, and other junk on that engine if you don't want it!! I saw one once that I couldn't buy at the time, and now I've been looking for a while, can't find the stuff anywhere!! Oh yeah, IMO, nothing beats a MoPar, there may be cheaper engines, but they aren't better.
I'm on the fence about getting it. I have a good number of really large, immobile iron lumps in my shop as it is. I'm going to see what they need for the whole thing, though. At the very least, I'm going to grab the rear sump oil pan and pick-up tube, and if it has the center dump exhaust manifolds some trucks came with, I'll get those, too. I'll also check on the head casting numbers. -Brad
The 413 You saw is nothin special. ITs NOT a Max wedge. Its a low compression small valved RB. I would let It be, hold out for a 440, all around better deal. FEDER
Yeah, I had zero doubt it was a Max Wedge...I haven't been out of the Mopar game THAT long! Went back and looked at it after work: front sump oil pan, 2bbl Autolite carb, but it does have the center dump manifolds. They quoted me $100 as-is for the whole thing. Anybody in the Atlanta area wants it, pm me for directions. Hugh Jones recyclers. Open 8am to noon Saturday, close at 5pm during the week. -Brad
413s are a tough sale, everyone wants 440s. If I had access to it, I'd buy it, namely because I like having spare motors around. As FEDER said, its a gutless small-valved low compression pig. If you are going to flip it, don't bother.
100 for it, you could sell the steel crank for that, or put a good set of heads on it, cam it and build something with it, I had a 413 in my dodge for a long time and loved it.
From Wikipedia concerning the 413. 413 The 413 cu in (6.8 L) RB was used from 1959 to 1965 in cars. It was also used in medium and heavy trucks including truck-tractors such as the C-1000, up until 1979. It has a bore of 4.1875 inches. During that period, it powered almost all Chrysler New Yorker and all Imperial models, and was also available on the lesser Chryslers, Dodge Polara, Dodge Monaco, and Plymouth Fury as an alternative to the B-block 383 and the A-block 318. It was also fitted to some European cars such as the later Facel Vega Facel II. In the 1959 Chrysler 300E the 413 wedge was fitted with inline dual four-barrel carburetors; it was factory-rated at 380 bhp (283 kW) at 5,000 rpm and 525 lb⋅ft (712 N⋅m) at 3,600 rpm.[5] In 1960, a long-tube ram induction system was made standard on the Chrysler 300. It continued as standard on the 1961 300-G, and remained on the option sheets for Chrysler 300s through 1964. In 1962, a special version known as the "Max Wedge" was made available for drag racing and street use; this version produced 420 bhp (313 kW) at 5,000 rpm. Engine specifications Model years Fuel system Power Torque Compression ratio 1959–1961 4-barrel carburetor 340 hp (254 kW) at 4600 rpm 480 lb⋅ft (651 N⋅m) at 2800 rpm 10.0:1 1959 2 × 4-barrel carbs 380 hp (283 kW) at 5000 rpm 525 lb⋅ft (712 N⋅m) at 3600 rpm 1960–1961 375 hp (280 kW) at 5000 rpm 525 lb⋅ft (712 N⋅m) at 2800 rpm 1962-1965 4-barrel carb 340 hp (254 kW) at 4600 rpm 480 lb⋅ft (651 N⋅m) at 2800 rpm 10.1:1 1962 2 × 4-barrel carbs 380 hp (283 kW) at 5000 rpm 525 lb⋅ft (712 N⋅m) at 2800 rpm 1963-1965 4-barrel carb 360 hp (268 kW) at 4600 rpm 495 lb⋅ft (671 N⋅m) at 2800 rpm 1963-1964 2 × 4-barrel carbs 390 hp (291 kW) at 4800 rpm 530 lb⋅ft (719 N⋅m) at 3600 rpm
What's really funny is that Brad54 and I walked past a vendor at his swap last Saturday, who had a pair of cross ram manifolds (complete with linkage and crossover tube, like the ones below) for a 413!!!
I had a 413 in my Champion motor home. It pulled the heck out of a car trailer . Couldn't stop the steering wheel from turning into every gas station it went by. It got 7 mpg just driving it. Towing it got around 3-4 mpg.
On the 413 there are no replacement pistons made for it anymore. You must go custom for pistons sorry to say
Stick a 400 low block with a 440 crank and .060 over pistons for a 454. You can buy the small main jornal crank and stroker pistons on line.
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