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Technical 3 Speed Floor Shifter

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Bob Bagley, May 9, 2021.

  1. Bob Bagley
    Joined: Aug 26, 2019
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    Bob Bagley

    Several years ago a gentleman from Oregon used to make a floor shifter that would mount at the top of a transmission instead of the side. I understand he is no longer in business, does any one make these shifters now or is there one available any where? Thanks.
     
  2. 2OLD2FAST
    Joined: Feb 3, 2010
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    2OLD2FAST
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    from illinois

    For a manual or automatic trans ?
     
  3. Hnstray
    Joined: Aug 23, 2009
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    Hnstray
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    from Quincy, IL

    @Bob Bagley

    not only manual or automatic, but year, make and model….… it matters.

    Ray
     
  4. Dedsoto
    Joined: Jan 7, 2014
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    Dedsoto
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    from Australia
    1. Aussie HAMBers

  5. Sandgroper
    Joined: Jan 20, 2019
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    Sandgroper
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    In Australia we would buy Speco centre shifters for the local Muncie 3 speeds. Don't know if they are still around and if they do one for your application.
     
  6. DDDenny
    Joined: Feb 6, 2015
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    DDDenny
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    from oregon

    I'm sure someone will educate me as to why these are even needed but it seems like an expensive way just to get the shifter mounted in center of the tunnel.
     
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  7. Dedsoto
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    Dedsoto
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    mostly to position the shifter like a 39 ford box, or give bench seat clearance
     
  8. Graybeard4545
    Joined: Feb 13, 2020
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    Graybeard4545
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    from Maryland

    I believe you are talking about a T&F shifter. No longer made. I have reach out to him a couple times and he is retired.
    Seems no one took up where he left off. I did manage to score one on Ebay a while back. Nice piece.
     
  9. Bob Bagley
    Joined: Aug 26, 2019
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    Bob Bagley

    This application is a saginaw manual 3 speed going in a 40 Ford coupe. I am trying to avoid chopping up the frame for clearance. of the shifter. Thanks again.
     
  10. Liberty Garage
    Joined: Oct 14, 2008
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    Liberty Garage
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    Have you thought of using a Ford Mustang 3 speed top loader with a Jeep top. No outside linkage to worry about. Full synchro transmission. Model Engineering makes an adapter to flathead then a Chevy to Ford adapter is also needed..
     
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  11. Bob Lowry
    Joined: Jan 19, 2020
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    Bob Lowry

    shifter 3.jpg From another car site, 2014. Phone number listed for the supplier was (760) 745-1170, in SoCal. Website no longer works...T & F shifter....

    shifter.jpg shifter 2.jpg
     
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  12. Harv
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    Harv
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    from Sydney

    Speco sadly stopped making the Centreshift and Mr Shifter units. They still do boots, knobs etc but no actual shifters. Still a few getting around on eBay though.

    I did a write up on them a few years back - info here for those interested:
    http://www.fbekholden.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=18606
    It includes fitting instructions for the Aussie 4-speed, GMH red motor all synchro, Muncie 4-speed, Saginaw 4-speed, Ford Toploader and Falcon/Cortina 3-speed boxes.

    Cheers,
    Harv (deputy apprentice gearbox fiddler).
     
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  13. Bob Bagley
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    Bob Bagley

    Thanks for the responses. A lot to consider.
     
  14. Graybeard4545
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    Graybeard4545
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    from Maryland

    Bob,
    I put a Muncie in my 40 and did not cut the frame. I made a shifter relocation plate to raise the shifter up and bent the linkage to fit. I works well and puts it out of the way of your feet. I used a Hurst offset handle to get the shifter in the middle.
     
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  15. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    jnaki





    Hello,

    That number sounded familiar when I was scrolling through my research for hot rod shops in So Cal. The 760 area code is in San Diego County and when checked, it ends up in Escondido, CA. Home of the recently cancelled "Cruising Grand" event that is/was so popular in So Cal.

    Jnaki

    The website is listed for Hot Rods & Customs Stuff, Inc.
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    Last known Google Photo: Nov 2020
    But, a review was posted from a month ago. So, you might want to call them to ask your questions.

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  16. Bob Bagley
    Joined: Aug 26, 2019
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    Bob Bagley

    Thanks jnaki, Graybeard4545 had an interesting suggestion too.
     
  17. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    jnaki

    Hello,

    There is/was an old thread on the HAMB from 2011 about T&S Shifters. There was a guy that had a 3 speed for sale. That is pretty far out there, but who knows, some people like to hang on to things for the "Someday I might use it..." scenario. Much to the dismay of the significant others trying to organize a new custom garage or room.

    Jnaki
    It might be worth a web find, not a barn find...

    But, the other 760 area code phone number seems like the best way to solve your puzzle.
     
  18. typo41
    Joined: Jul 8, 2011
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    typo41
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    I have a T&F on my Sag in my 40 pickup. At the time most shifters for the available 4 speeds (Sag and Muncie) were stock side shifters, which'd called for notching the X-Member and also put the shifter next to the seat, and right next to your leg, unless you could find a rare '57 chevy shift arm. We didn't have 5 speeds back then. And even the mentioned Ford Top Loaders with the Jeep shifter, they were hard to come by and expensive.
    Back to the T&F, I understand the builder has passed and didn't pass on the construction. It is not a 'fast' shifter, you don't drag race with it, but it is in a good place to place your hand while driving.
     
  19. saltflats
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    saltflats
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  20. Atwater Mike
    Joined: May 31, 2002
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    The Ford trans with the Jeep tower eliminates all the 'CHAIN' in the mechanics of complicated linkage!
    The chase was to make a more 'positive' shift. Linkage is a parade of moving parts that, when added up equal more than a few thousandths of an inch in signal from the shift knob to the gears.
    Ergo, the 'Chain is only as strong as its weakest link.'
    Most of this stuff was to eliminate the links from the steering column lever to the tranny!
    ...And they ended up with more moving parts, if 'shorter'.
     
  21. Graybeard4545
    Joined: Feb 13, 2020
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    Graybeard4545
    Member
    from Maryland

    Bob, this what I did. It clears the floor As well. For reverse I had to flip the lever so reverse is next to 2nd. But that's all on a Muncie.
    Hope this helps.
    Graybeard 381901565.jpeg 465424030.jpeg 1868643120.jpeg 376332446.jpeg 430518698.jpeg

    Sent from my SM-G988U using The H.A.M.B. mobile app
     
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  22. Blues4U
    Joined: Oct 1, 2015
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    Blues4U
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    from So Cal

    That's a cool shop. I was in the area on business with a co-worker and as we drove past the place we noticed it and spun around and went inside. They took the time to give us a tour, and it's a good size piece of property, a good stash of old hot rod parts, and they do some really good work; and they have a shop in front for speed parts.
     
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  23. Bob Bagley
    Joined: Aug 26, 2019
    Posts: 75

    Bob Bagley

    Thanks for the pictures and information, I think I am going to fabricate my own shifter mount to make the shifter above the X frame. Wish me luck! Thanks again.
     
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