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Technical Flatheads and cracking

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Roothawg, Nov 17, 2021.

  1. NoSurf
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    He IS rich.

    Check inside the intake and exhaust runners for casting flash/porosity.
     
  2. Flathead Freddie
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    I built my first Flattie at age 12 with paper route money and yes my birthday and Christmas gifts were auto parts
     
  3. joel
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    If that is a "99", you may be able to swap it for a newer 8ba that runs . That's what was in my '41 p/u and it is an easy swap. Also, didn't Mercury start out as 239s vs. Ford at 221 ?
     
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  4. All of those I saw were cracked from a cylinder to the valve seat area. The only way to tell was with the heads off and a real good eye. Most had to have some rust spots but not all.
     
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  5. Flathead Freddie
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    ...also having a famous racing engine building uncle who told me , " Don't waste your money on a flathead you'll get nothing out of it just come over to the shop and we will throw in something worth your money ". Mind you I was 12 at the time and turned down a full race pro built engine so I can have a from the factory engine in my 34 truck . So yes I went stick with the 221 with a 97 on it ran 6v on ignition 12v on the starter and lights . I knew what I wanted and built it and NEVER regretted it . Uncle **** was amazed and everyone loved the fact it was Old Henry Iron . If that's what he wants let him work for it and build it . It turned into a career for me and I can say I never worked a stiff job in my life .
    Build the Flattie !! Check out my threads and Marts also . Threads are Freddie's Latest ... and Meet Flo ! . Bored and Stroked got some real flathead science going on we grew up both flathead owners in high school . Patience is your best tool and research is your second . I mean real manuals not these glitter engine build publications , the last one I read was a fairy tale gave it to the kids to cut and paste . Any questions ask away I'll stay with this thread it's me all over again so glad to help
     
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  6. Flathead Freddie
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    Fords had a smaller bore both share same rods so yes 221 for Fords bored at 3.0625 and Merc at 3.1875
     
  7. joel
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    One other difference, that is kind of major, the pre 48 24 stud engines had "floating " rod bearings so there is a manual fitment component in the rod to crank that is very different from the later 8ba engines. I found that was very interesting .
     
  8. Flathead Dave
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    Flatheads are like new born babies. They're born with cracks...
     
  9. flatjack
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    Equally important as magnafluxing, is a pressure test. There are a lot of places that you can't see that could be cracked. Exhaust crossover, exhaust ports to mention a few. I would never build an engine without pressure testing.
     
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  10. Aaron D.
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    I use a mild wire wheel on my drill and clean the area between the valves and cylinders, then I inspect the area with a magnifying gl***. If you find cracks between bolt holes and coolant p***ages, no big deal. Look closely at the pan rail and walls inside the block, that’s where they crack if the block freezes with water in it. If all that looks good, I pressure check the water p***ages with 20 psi for 20 minutes. If everything p***es my initial checks, it goes to the machine shop for mag particle inspection.
     
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  11. Flathead Freddie
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    Another Flathead concern is Core Shifting . I have yet to run into a block which suffers from this but too many Flattie owners have shared their stories even on these threads . This is when you bore the block and end up with thin cylinder wall towards bottom of cylinder . Most guys Sonic test their block * just tong the cylinders with a tiny hammer and take note of the sound changes . A short sound means thin wall are and a longer ting noise means more metal thickness . I've seen affordable Sonic Testers online if $80 to 200 is in your budget . When I buy bare blocks I tap around all over and a dull return noise means there is a substantial sized crack in that area . I use one of those women's home tool kit hammers fits in your pocket . So I don't Sonic test but do check my wall thickness and cracks at same time .
     
  12. alchemy
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    I think if you do a visual inspection after dis***embly, and all looks good, have it boiled and have it magnafluxed. If that p***es, your $60 acid cleaning sounds like the best engine building bargain around. Getting all the rust out of the water jackets is key to a cool running flathead. Hopefully after the acid there are no new leaks.
     
  13. Flathead Freddie
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    First picture is between 3 and 4 cyl I'm leaning across the engine so looks upside down well second picture is between cyl 1 and 2 . What do I think ? Crackle shmakle ! Flo is still making it to the test stand so we see and probably a little seepage look at the head gasket so we will experiment here on Flo how does that sound . The cracks are only a couple microns deep now and yes are known to grow in time or may seal up when warm with some Bars Leak . One guy who has seen horseless carriage days told me a little sediment in the block is good for plugging up leaks . I never forget him and sometimes I have left sediment in block if it's not overheating . Flo has been getting cleared out but I'm sure a taste of sediment will remain
     

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  14. Flathead Freddie
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    This is the Down side of Head Gasket so brush is pointing at seepage area between cyl 1 and 2 so this side of gasket goes on the block
     

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  15. Flathead Freddie
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    For head gasket is 7 and 8 cyl . Oops
     
  16. Roothawg
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    When did they go from a 21 stud to 24?
     
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  17. Flathead Freddie
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    Im not for sure but for an instant thought answer in 1938
     
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  18. Flathead Freddie
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    1948 Mercury in Canada and maybe Canada Does and trucks started using head bolts . I think 1948 American trucks also came with head bolts . Could be mid year you know sell the old introduce the new but in 1949 all Does Flatheads and Merc came with head bolts - 8RT , 8BA and 8CM engines . The earlier years with the studs were the 221s then 59A to 99 engines . lots of revisions cool stuff and then you have the various water pumps and bell housings it The Great Flathead Game . Neat stuff I enjoy it and am not always correct and we have different processes for each engine like in valve ***emblies flywheels . I can go on but Roothawg I welcome you to the Flathead World !
     
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