Hot Rods Traditional Rods - Dually Rears

I saw this pic posted by @Robert J. Palmer elsewhere in a build thread and he thoughtfully explained the reasons behind it (effectively cheap wide rubber). Rather than hijack that thread any further than I did am hoping to see more pics of cars like this by chance does anyone have any? Any info on how it was done? Looking at it now with today's perceptions it looks 'ratrodish' to me but now knowing it was part of the culture in some form has piqued my interest. Thanks as always.

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/duallys-on-a-hot-rod.936779/

 

Ah yes I should have used the search function. Thanks for the link Anthony.

 

You’ll see some on the “tired of homogenized hot rods” thread.
Seems like old sand buggies used em and some innovative racers.

 

So now the rat rodders will think it's traditional. Just because someone done it doesn't mean it was the right way to do things. Some people forget that the past was full of cheap rodders as they are today. We shouldn't repeat what they done.
If you respect the past , build the cars they couldn't afford.
I would not want people to duplicate my garbage from my younger years.

 

There was the Jim Street version of the Kookie car that ran dual tires. Sure was ugly.

 

Truck rears in hot rods are as trad as whitewalls and pointy bras.
Full floater rears in circle track cars.
The eventual origin of the quick change.
Dual tires both front and rear on sand and drag cars.

I’d like to see how these guys mounted them. Most that I’ve seen, if not all aren’t bud wheels.

 

Yes I have a good friend that has been into hot rodding for ever. Had a 55 or 57 that held a b stock record for many many years.

He often talked about using truck rear ends do to the size of the ring gear and the tall gears that were available for them.

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Some how I miss the whole point of traditional hot rods with this statement somehow...

I thought the whole point of the the early hot rods was building a car you "could" afford......

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Lol!!!!

 

https://www.macsmotorcitygarage.com...rail-jobs-from-the-golden-age-of-drag-racing/





https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...enized-hotrods.1002926/page-218#post-14402004

...It was obviously a drag racing addition as well as road racing and beaching it, the addition of more rubber to the road makes great sense and may have even been influential in wider tire profiles and slicks...

The lower image above is Hamber @MindTraveler64's evolving Hotrod project with dual Vintage Street/Race purpose...

A couple of observations regarding the Coupe in the OP...

1) It has a license plate...did he drive home on them...maybe, maybe not I wasn't there...

2) I see a floor jack and some regular shoes sitting alongside and am making an ***umption that they were a trackside addition...

So my opinion, if one wants to run Dually Bias Plies as depicted at a nostalgia drag or related racing more the power to them...it is nostalgic, NOT anything related to RRs and dare I say even part of the Traditional Racing evolution...

I don't even think it's really ugly even though it's a purpose related detail...

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Not a rat rod , but something that could of definitely been in mad max !!!!

This this is cool man !!!!

 

As ugly as you feel it was, Jim may have had this period racing detail added as part of his real life inspiration or perhaps a Big Daddy Cartoon, it also had dual blowers I believe too that were inspired as well with a carb or two inside...



https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/22125/lot/41/?category=list

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What I'm talking about is trying to define the line where are cars are traditional. Rat rods aren't.
Joe public doesn't know the difference . A lot of what I see today is monkey see monkey do. So we should show people the difference. When I see dual wheels I think rat rods with true dually wheels and a diesel engine.

 

Back when I was a sophomore in HS a senior in my machine shop cl*** was building a water pumper dune buggy as they were called back then. He welded 2 wheels together for the dual set up on the rear. Don't know how true they were but I imagine it was a PITA to mount the tires. Never did see it run.

 

It's not a Ratrod...END...Who cares what they do...If you're on the Hamb its not a concern...Not a single image shared here is remotely close to a Ratrod...only one is inspired with the rest being Vintage pre 65 images and they're purpose applied in mind...wish I was there to see it and thankfully someone had a camera...

Is it traditional...Personally I would have posted it in the Hokey *** Forum...(Oh!!, it is already), as part of the Culture in a evolutionary way and part of the Hamb envelope...I don't need to argue its Traditionality it was there racing against the others and therefore is worthy as discussion and presentation...

 

So when new guys arrive and shows a rat rod we run them off instead of teaching them what the difference is.
In my opinion that was probably a rat rod before they put names on them.

 

This seems to be a conversation you do not want to get involved in.

 

Your opinion is missing the point. We are not promoting Ratrods. That is a Streetable Hotrod in 1953/4ish by the looks of things that used a dual wheel setup for racing...What an individual interprets it as is up to them...You know it if you see it...You can't change what was...It's again part of the big picture that's it, Hokey *** discussion material just as the Skulls and Webs...Norm did Skulls, is he promoting Ratrods...nope...Webs were around before 65 too, Ratrods...nope...Hokey *** Material...would I have them on my Hotrod, no because it doesn't fit my vision of the theme or purpose...MindTraveller wants to race at the strip and has a dual bias setup and a single wheel setup to boot...purpose built...I think its wild.

Back to period Dual Wheels on Vintage Hotrods...and I will agree finding imagery of these unique setups is not that easy.

 

Discussing a traditional method and the reasoning for this oddity is educational for a potential builder or the curious.
If someone builds an old car with a dually rear axle with a diesel, that’s a different subject. If posted here the bosses can handle it.
Outside here, I don’t care what ya build.

 

I'll just "LIKE" other peoples post and keep my opinion to myself.
No point trying to educate the people on the internet.

 

These are interesting.

 

Cool...

 

Mercedes used dual rear tires on their hillclimb compe***ion cars in the 1930s.

 

And what the heck was this

 

...Something like this...Monster...but again it points to a race purpose and over the top as well and not dualies in the sense of the OP but definitely Dual...how did they perform I'm not a vintage magazine guy but I'm sure it was covered with serious reviews...

These may also have been twin driven...


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Not 100% positive, but pretty sure that dual Pontiac dragster was Eddie Hill's.
Lots of European hill climbers used duals. And maybe Auto Union.
As for education, it is often give and take.

 

Again part of the Big Picture that made its way to the track...and as alluded way older in origin than one would imagine...

 

In Oregon in the early 50's, dual rear tires on the right rear of circle track cars, was quite common. The 1952 Champion was Clarence Smith, who on occasion would dual up the right front as well. Adding the fact he ran a brand new 317" Lincoln overhead, that the flatheads and sixes could not compete with. I have his Championship Trophy.

 

...Inspiration is a beautiful thing...sometimes contagious...but generally race related in several arenas...

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