Technical Transmission trouble

Hey guy I have a 56' ford f1 that i just bought at an auction and it seems to have the original inline 6 motor and 4 syn transmission. The problem I see is that the original owner cut into the cab floor and seems to have extended the transmission because the shifter is way too far back for the original bench seat to fit now...I'm lost, has anyone seen this?? He even cut more space into the cab under the dash for the ****** housing unit to fit, like he slide the whole motor back??? I need help!??!!?

 

Maybe a later Model 300/6 4 Speed swap that went not as planned? Photos would save us a lot of guesswork…

 

Here are some pictures to help, model number on transmission says its a 4 speed syn. Not quite sure if thats accurate let me know what ya think...also there is a part number on the neck of the ****** that calls it an extension housing?? Is it possible that could be eliminated?

 

Piss poor planning . You are going to have undo his work .

 

Pics of engine, engine to radiator, engine mounts and front engine crossmember as well .

 

Maybe he built it to use a driveshaft he had .

 

Thank you, at first glace I thought your trans was a Borg Warner t 5 out of a Mustang or so, these could be converted by using a tailhousing and shifter from a chevy s10, but looking closer it is not, but there may be a forward shift version of your transmission around. The bellhousing seems to be stock….I ‚m sure someone will step up and know exactly what you have and what you need .

 

I can’t help ID what you have, but the shifter and boot sure look like a modern unit.
Being so far back, maybe came from a factory car with bucket seats?

 

I think that’s a SROD version of the 60’s Ford top loader, they came out in the 80’s, SROD stands for single rail overdrive, 4 speed with 4th gear overdrive, aluminium case. Not easy to relocate the shifter . it’s cousin the T170 is a better option, has the shifter in the right place, same front bellhousing bolt location and if you get one from a rear wheel drive truck, it MAY have the same length output shaft.

 

Can't tell from pics but is the cab lowered on the frame mounts? Or the engine/trans raised up? Moved back?? On my 56 I have a newer 300 6 and M5r2 trans and the to bolts for engine to trans bolts clean the hump cover by prolly 3 inches. I know your question was about the shifter but your whole shebang looks messed up... Maybe best to start over. OH! Just looked back at 1st pic- it looks like the original crossmember is under that transmission. I had to cut that one down . Let me know if you want a pic. I can find one probably.

 

Start over, hit the rewind ****on.
Don't trust anything you have here. Tear it apart, figure out what power plant you want to go with and go from there.

 

Using bucket seats, the simplest solution would be to bend the gear shift lever forward like a Cobra.

 

I think @leadsled hit the mark. Although I cannot ID the transmission, it is a modern unit (hence the adapter plate) out of a car. That transmission has an integral shift rail extension housing that cannot be eliminated. It also appears the engine (if original) has been shifted back for some reason. Pics of the engine would help, plus numbers off of the transmission. If the plans are to put the floor back as original with the bench seat, a different transmission is needed.

 

None of that appears to be stock 56 parts including the bellhousing. That's what people end up doing that don't know what they are doing. Not that you can't just keep going but it will always be a Mess if you do. Time to regroup. Probably why you bought it at an Auction.

 

In 56 Factory form the Bellhousing bolts direct to a crossmember. You can't get it into the Firewall!

 

it's not an SROD, they have the shifter forward enough that they fit into trucks ok.

I have no clue what transmission is in your truck. All I know is that it doesn't belong in there.

and just to be a nag, pictures of the engine would help, too

 

Not the original transmission, but that's been covered, post a photo of the engine. HRP

 

The simple answer is............No matter what that transmission is, it isn't going to work.
Next thing is, is the mounting location of the motor satisfactory/usable as is?
If the motor needs to be/can be moved forward that would be the first thing to fix. BUT,you may have to leave it there because of the clutch linkage.
If the motor has to stay where its at, then sell that trans and buy one that will work and has a better shifter location.

 

Okay Kirks56. Your new here and came looking for Help. That's a good thing. We've covered the obvious so let's see what can happen to get you moving forward with what you have on hand. It's always amazed me what some will do just to use what they have on hand when not knowing there's a better way. Let's see if we can help you change things a little and stay with what you already have. As mentioned, some photos of where and how the motor is mounted will help and Fan to Rad location is very important. There should not be a space issue with any 6cyl that get's you into the Firewall, even a 300 ci Ford motor.

 

Looks a whole lot like a Ford Capri 5-speed to me, but I could be wrong.

MK3 2.0l. Type 9.

Had to dig deep in the old memory bank.


Weird choice for a swap.

 

They made different versions of the SROD transmission with the shifter in a different place, The one he has appears to be the Mustang version with the rear shifter location. There was also a 4 speed overdrive referred to as the RUG transmission or Top Loader Imposter which had an external side shifter and looks much like the more desirable non overdrive top loader. I will try to post a photo of a front mount shifter SROD like a truck or van would have.

 

Looks like there is an adapter between the trans and the bellhousing.

 

Indeed. The tiny native bell pattern on the transmission got me thinking that it was from a smaller engine.

 

I was wondering if it was for a Capri, but couldn't find a picture....

makes me wonder what country the OP is in

btw "ford type 9 gearbox" is a good way to find more info about it

 

There's more weird than meets the eye going on here.

 

This much has surfaced. "She's a Lady"

 

Somebody has been in the back of his Motor Manual.

 

no, I was on the internets...I'm too lazy to go out to the shop to look in the books, and besides I got rid of all my import manuals.

 

Looks British to me. Or the 'box used behind the straight six in Australian Ford Cortinas.

 

AU single rail was a Borg Warner like this (falcons etc.):


The Cortina version had the shifter further forward: