HA/GR hambster rules meeting?

The reason I plan on running an open rear is that I really do not think I will have a problem hooking up. Keep in mind that we can only run 6" bias ply tires, so what kind of horsepower can you make and leave the line?
I will be running a 427 gear under mine and may have to change later on to a posi unit.

 

oh, and is anyone narrowing the stock framerails and using those, or is everyone pretty much using a fabricated tubing ch***is?

 

I think we need to finalize this stuff pretty quick. Obviously, we were supposed to have the meeting at mokan, but that didn't happen. I wish it had. When are we going to have the 'meeting' to finalize these rule changes? Mr Mac? Ryan? Anyone? I am ready to cast my votes and get the rule changes written.

I will keep the rules link in my signature and keep them hosted on my site so they are easy to find for anyone who is interested.

 

I do believe that all the ones that are running at the present, are on fabricated ch***is. I built mine out of 2" X 3" square tubing.

 

so would it be allowed to take a pair of framerails and narrow them with new crossmembers and box them in?

do we "need" to run suspension? I was considering welding a front axle and rearend straight to the frame...

 

All four cars have sold rear ends right now. two have suspended fronts two do not. suspension is up to you.

 

I would say it depnds on what kind of framerails you are talking about.
As far as the suspension goes, my rearend is mounted solid to the frame, but I am using suspension on the front. Some of the tracks around here are not real smooth and I can not imagine running down one of these tracks without some sort of suspension.
Most of the cars are running around the 100mph mark and I think it would be quite a handfull on a rough track.

 

how is your car coming? gonna make the october nostalgia drags at mokan?

 

No sir, unfortunately I will not be there. But, the first of the year it will be ready to make some p***es down the local track and see what happens.
I am setting it up with a stock 225, but the engine I hope to run at the HAMB drags next year will be a 170 that I am building on the side.
I have a bad problem with trying to get small cubic inches to perform like one twice it's size.

 

3w
I don't care what trany they run. I just want to see more cars at each show.
P.S. Its not your face but your a.. thats showing.

 

1. No he does not work for the hornets
2. Some of us have real jobs we dont have the luxery of posting all day long
3. FOR SAKE RAMODS SHUT THE **** UP!!!! You'll talk more **** in an hour then some of us can talk normal thru out the whole day.


If you guys would put half as much effort in to working on ure car you guys talk ****,then you would be so far ahead of the competion it wouldnt matter who has what. Ive been going to Mokan and watching the hambsters since the beginning, and i would have to been able to drive one but, do to a bad bike accident i was in, i've lost the use of my left leg. So how am i supposed to compet when all that can be run is the "ALL MIGHTY 3 PEDAL". Dont even tell me i can use hand controls thats a bigest joke ive ever heard. Have any of you fully functional people tried to drive like that, its not a walk in the park i'll tell you that. The "Spirt of the bug" has nothing to do with it being an auto or a stick, it has to deal with the "LOOK" of the car. This cl*** cant grow as fast as it should, because only two years into this cl*** ure already trying to add rules and ban things. The key to this cl*** is fun, cheap & keep it simple stupid!


There now u have heard from the one legged man

 

first off, your first post should be an intro in the intro thread.

I am calling bs on this. But more than that, larry was JOKING!!!!!! If you knew larry, or had read any of the history of this subject, you would know that there is a lot of friendly compe***ion and joking between the teams. If you can't handle that, then please do not build a car. Not in this cl*** or any other.

As for the spirit of the bug/keeping it period correct......that is a lot more involved than just the 'looks'.

 

Thank you very much.
As for the three pedals, mine is a standard ****** and I have only two pedals, go figure!
You are right on the cheap, easy fun, but if we have no rules or guidelines, it will all go to hell in a handbasket!

 

he might have been joking either way my comment stands.

as for the period correct looks are the MAIN part of it! if ure going to starting adding rules and rules and rewriting rules every year, that will kill the cl*** as it has to many other cl***es and events out side of this board. One possible rule that was brought up earlier was if ure going to allow the automatics let them run pre 62 ******'s and there stock converter. if that rule goes thru which is fine and would be a good addition, that same rule should be applied to the standards, along with a stock clutch, pressure plate and flywheel. But heres were it ruins the sport. If that rule goes into force, will there be a tech before every race, in which u have to prove u have such stock parts on ure car, if not then its a waste of time. if u make a rule for one car u need to make it comform to all others also.

 

we already have a set of rules, and so far there has been nothing wrong with them, so why go and change them?

 

The auto trans rule change should not come as a surprise to anyone. It is written right in the rule that it will most likely change.

While I agree that the rules need to be relatively static, you have to allow for some changes. The rules where written before we had 4 cars. Now the 4 owners have seen that there are a couple changes that will make the cl*** better and more period correct(the actual reason behind the 'spirit of the bug').

What frustrates me about this conversation is that I am wasting my time with someone who probably has no intention of even building a car.

 

why does drama have to surround anything cool on this board?
some of you whiney *****es should go find a different sand box to play in???

its pretty simple - heads up racing, NO AUTOMATICS. i dug this out of the post Sam made when this idea first popped up.

Refer to the current NHRA rulebook for additional info, based on your target ET... simple, NO? reasons for a possible no automatic rule was primarily due to safety issues... it was ADVISED that manual's be used to level the playing field.

The Rules:

1. Stock frame rails or .120 wall square tube rails.

2. Flathead in-line or v8 engines or vintage pre-1962 Inline engines ONLY. No OHV v8 or v6’s

3. Engines should be kept close to stock for the first year.,, but feel free to juice them as you desire. Just remember, if speeds increase, more attention to safety will be enforced.

4. Drivers must wear full faced helmets, fire retardant jacket, gloves, jeans and leather shoes. Don’t freak about the jacket… Summit and Jegs sells RJS ones for $75 and you can find them on e-bay even cheaper. Single layer.

5. Stock width front and rear ends only, no narrowed rear ends allowed.

6. No "slingshot" ch***ies. Driver and engine must be positioned entirely between the front and rear axles. Engine and driver placement can vary.

7. Cars must be equipped with an engine mounted starter. Jumper batteries ok to use to get cars started.

8. Batteries must be mounted in a tray made out of angle iron and have 3/8" studs or bolts with a 1" x 1/8" (or larger) strap over the top.

9. Cars must have rims no wider than 5.5" and in the spirit of the event, only bias ply street tires are allowed. No radials or modern "wrinkle wall" slicks allowed. Tire tread width can measure no wider than 6".

10. If a cooling system or water tank is used, car must have a radiator cap and an overflow (catch can) system.

11. Closed drive lines are encouraged... but not required.

12. If an open drive line is used, driveshaft must have an 1 1/2" x 1/4" "driveshaft loop" within 6” of front and rear universal joints AND be totally covered/ sealed off from driver with a sheet aluminum or steel floor pan.

13. Cars must have floor boards and/or belly pans. If a belly pan is used, car must have a sufficient structure to prevent drivers legs from pulling a "Fred Flintstone" if the belly pan is torn off or if it falls off.

14. All cars must have a firewall.

15. All cars must have a cowl or body to prevent drivers legs from exiting the vehicle in the event of a crash.

16. All cars must incorporate some type of "roll bar"… one main hoop behind drivers head and two support towards the firewall.

17. All cars will be inspected for general soundness and safety. Things like sound steering, all lug nuts in place and safety belts required. Front suspension and steering components must be sound and all bolts and nuts must be tight. All lug nuts must be in place. All heim joints must be “captured”, cotter pins in place etc.

18. Fuel line(s) can have no single piece longer than 24", has to be fasted by hose clamps and may not be hard or cracked.

19. Cars must be built in the spirit of "The Bug" and other early "rail jobs".

20. Cars with keyed axles must be equipped with hub “safety retainers.

21. Five point NHRA approved safety harness required.

22. Cars must be equipped with at least one rear red running light for night drags.

 

Hey Shawn -- does BTK mean anything to you?

Have you asked how Alabama Man is doing lately?

 

I will finish my car with an automatic in it, that makes the most sense to me. I will find places to run it...with or without another HAMBster in the other lane. I already know I can run it at Lawton, Thunder Valley, Tulsa, Ark City, Ardmore and MOKAN when it is not a HAMB race. That will have to be enough to start. I will send a description of my car to Goodguys for the Indy race next year (really pissed I missed it this year) and see if they will have a cl*** that I can run in.

If any of you other guys who are wanting to build what will be an "Outlaw" HA/GR car want to run with me just send me a PM and I will put you on a mailing list of where I will be running next.

 

Keep in mind this thread is a bunch of people spouting ********. the rules are 'as is' right now. there is just talk of finalizing the automatic issue since it was written with the clear understanding that the rule may outlaw them.

I am looking forward to seeing your car.

 

There is a place for automatics. It would be very easy to develop rules for a new cl*** such as "Econno Altered Automatic" No need for "Outlaws". I'm thinkin early '60's style. Fibergl*** Bantums, T's, Fiats. Could be pretty cool.

 

the only real reason (IMO) for outlowing the automatics that i have heard so far, is the saftey issue. What exactly is unsafe about running the automatics. If some one can give me a real reason on this i will be more then happy to join a seperate hambsters cl***.

 

why are all the FNG's suddenly so worried about HA/GR's? and whoever said there was going to be another cl*** for automatics? get a manual ******, add an extra pedal and deal with it...that's what drag racing is about...nobody likes dealing with rule changes, but **** it up and move on, don't be a whiny ***** about it...

 

Just a clarification. The rule list i have printed says :

1. Stock or modified stock frame rails, rectangular tube or round tube 3'' diameter or larger.

You forgot ( or omitted) the round tube frame rails.

 

the manual ****** deal realy shuts the door in your face if you **** at shifting,or realy **** at shifting under the pressure of drag racing. what about the physically challenged ? 3 peddals or your not really representing the true spirit of the bug? come on . have an auto cl*** and a stick cl***, i don't beleive the fans care a bit.