Technical Lincoln Brake shoe voodoo

OK, I need to find a set of front brake shoes for my 47 Lincoln 12" brakes. Everything I read on here says 71-75 Chevy Caprice Wagon or Buick Estate wagon 2" shoes fit. Measured my shoes, they are only 1 3/4" wide, drum is 2" deep at braking surface. Everybody listing the Buick or Chevy shoes says they are 2.12" inches wide except for except for Rock Auto who list a Raybestos 364PG as 2" wide. Will a 2" even fit inside my drum, or will it scrub and stick on the backing plate? What about the 2.12" or 2.13", depends on brand, will that shoe fit? Will that .12" matter? I don't want to start ordering then have to return them because they won't fit.

Don't know why mine measure 1 3/4" unless the wrong shoes were put on at some point. They were on the car when I got it.

 

You might try 49-51 F2 Ford truck brakes. I believe they are 1x1 3/4 and Bendix design. I am running F2 backing plates with 59 Buick finned aluminum drums. They require 12x2 brake shoes #33 industry part number. When I got my F2 backing plates, they had 12 13/4 shoes. I hope my information is useful .

 

Reline your original shoes, and have them arced to fit your drums at the same time.

Go here: https://brakeandequipment.com/

 

That may be your best bet.

I've got an older catalog around here somewhere that had most of the brake shoe numbers in it by size and design. Design meaning that some later shoes while being the same basic metal stampings have extra holes for spring or adjuster placement that earler shoes don't have.
Still if the metal shoes are in good shape you should be able to have them relined. There may even be a shop that still has the equipment to rivet the new lining to the shoes tucked away over in the corner if there are some older been in that building for decades shops in your area.

 

my avatar is using the Lincoln backing plates and my 37 Ford pu , and 47 Mercury too. The drums are definitely deep enough for the 2" (2.12) shoes and have enough space for the familiar ridge that will be left when they wear enough.

 

I have the old MT front Lincons on my '47 and I have just been getting the shoes relined, way easier.

 

Nobody around here to reline them anymore. Sure don't trust sending them off through the mail to get it done.

Looked so much my head hurts. F1's & F2's seem to be 1 3/4" x 11 or 2" x 12". Found some 75 Chevy ones, again 2" x 12". Measured and remeasured my drums and shoes. 2" deep on the drums from the tip that fits into the backing plate to the inside back. Shoes are for sure 1 3/4" across the lining. Just don't think a 2" is going to fit in there without rubbing either the back plate or drum, or both. My local guy is suffering from covid fog or early dementia, so he's no longer able to help. Frustrating at least. Everything I've read in the past said Lincoln front brakes were 12" x 2", don't know how I ended up with 12' X 1 3/4".

 

Bump for the night crew. Anybody got a good number or application for a 12” x 1 3/4” brake shoe that fits a 47 Lincoln?

 

I don't think you can just replace 1-3/4 with 2" as the wheel cylinder will not have enough offset to be central to the shoes; if you change the wheel cylinders to the 2" shoe application the off set will match.

 

I don’t think the wheel cylinders are different, I just don’t see how I could fit the 2” in the drum and it not be rubbing. The drum is only 2” deep at the braking surface, about 1 /8” of that would probably be needed clearance at the backing plate, and probably 1/8” at the inside face of the drum, so to me, it looks like 1 3/4” is as wide a shoe that will fit without rubbing. Which leaves me to wonder…

Is it possible I don’t actually have Lincoln drums, maybe they are the narrower Ford drums? In nearly 70 years, anything could have been changed, wish I knew for sure.

 

Photos of drums, front side and back side.
Photo of brakes with drum removed.

Someone might be able to determine what you actually have on your rod.

 

I’ll get some pics in the morning….

 

Bosch BS29 shoes work on Lincoln brakes, 1-3/4 x 12.

I've purchased them from RockAuto in the past.

 

You weren't going to use the original shoes anyway, why are you concerned they might be lost in the mail? I had a set of shoes done by Brake Warehouse for my 32 with Lincoln brakes, and the first application of the pedal almost put my wife through the windshield. My little bro had some done for his coupe with early Ford brakes and he loves them as well. We can vouch for the product from Brake Warehouse.

 

My local NAPA told me they could have some of my shoes sent off to be re-lined.
They were for a 1.5 ton truck. Could check to see if they’ll do some for your ride

 

alchemy, there is a pretty big difference between sending away the only brake shoes they you have that fit your car, and buying a new set from someplace and you still have the old set in your hands.

But then, there wouldn't be much difference then having NAPA send your shoes someplace, or you sending your shoes someplace.

The Bosch part number from Rock Auto sounds like a good alternative. If they work, a guy might consider buying a second set, if he intended on keeping the car long enough it may need new shoes again.

 

Their website is hard to get around but check with automotive friction in Birmingham. Automotive Friction Material

 

1936-55 Buick (Bendix type) brake shoes are 1-3/4 x 12". They should also fit the Bendix type brakes that the Lincolns had 1939-48. There are several sellers offering them on eBay.

 

While looking around, I found this at Speedway Bendix Style 1-3/4 Inch Repl Brake Shoes For 910-65410/910-65430 (speedwaymotors.com)

Also this kit Bendix Style 1-3/4 Inch Replacement Brake Drums and Shoes (speedwaymotors.com)

And found this, but not sure if it would fit 1937-48 Ford Spindle Disc Brake Kit, 5 on 4-1/2, Metric Caliper (speedwaymotors.com)

Anyways, pics as promised....

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1927000048...&fits=Year:1947|Model:76H+Series|Make:Lincoln

 

Those are the stock Lincoln drums.

 

Not as cheap as the rock auto listing

 

Rockauto is out of stock.

 

Out of stock

Every Buick I looked at was listed as 2.25 wide.

Ouch. Almost as bad as Speedway. May just have to bite the bullet and go ahead and get them. Don't know why they didn't pop up when I was looking last night.

Thanks guys

 

If you think that price is bad, then you don't want to send your shoes off for relining and arcing. I paid about $140 to have mine (4 shoes, not 8) relined and arced last spring. But they are perfect, and fit my drums like they were made for them (they were!). This ain't a cheapskate's game. If you decide to go with disks, let me know how much you want for those drum brakes.

 

All I did was enter your vehicle info and this was one of several. I just put that one up as another option/source. Maybe the 2” units is what made things more difficult for you?

 

Liners are available
I have the rivet tool at the house
Never used it though

 

Bobby, have you talked to the folks at Kanter Auto Pats?

They list the shoes, you could ask them about the size. HRP

Kanter Auto Parts

 

You might check with Boling Brothers/MT brakes, they may have some information.

 

I guess I just overlooked that listing. I went ahead and ordered a set from them, I’ll see if they are right when they get here. Never thought I’d pay nearly $100 for a set of brake shoes, but you do what you have to do.
Thanks again for all the help, I’ll update this thread when they come in.