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Technical front disc brakes

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by David E Hummell, Dec 24, 2022.

  1. Hello, I wanted to upgrade the front brakes on my 32 ford pickup, I have 40 spindles and the corresponding brakes. I wanted to keep the 5 and 1/2 stud spacing so I can save my new front rims and tires, I settled on calling Posie's and they said they can fit me up with what I need. Has any one used a kit like this on their car or truck I couldn't use the one from speedway because I have the bolt on forged steering arms. Thank you,
     
  2. 19Eddy30
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    Most kits will use a bolt on style steering arm, the caliper bracket bolts to spindle, ( most) some have made own kits . I do not know off top what rotor has 5-1/2 bolt, for a40 style spindle, in p*** before buying modify parts, we would drill rotors , if enough material to do so, & make are own caliper brackets,
    There will be other commenting soon,
    What style wheels /rims ?
    Witch kit was you looking @ speedway?
     
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  3. Kevin Ardinger
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    Remind me why they won’t work with bolt on arms. I have CE bolt thru arms on my car with the Chevy brake kit.
     
  4. V8 Bob
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    I'm using the Buick style front disc kit on my '32 I bought 20 some years ago from SoCal. The 11" rotors are pre-drilled for 4-1/2, 4-3/4 and 5-1/2 bolt circles.
     
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  5. mad mikey
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    I'm sure Posies will hook you up, pretty simple kit.
     
  6. ECI sells brake kits as well.
     
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  7. krylon32
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    My favorite brake kit is the Pete & Jake's power stopper. Comes in all bolt patterns and doesn't need a bearing adapter sleeve and doesn't widen the track width. I've sold quite a few kits on customer ch***is when they needed the 5.5 BP. They cost a little more but are well worth it. Also work with stock Ford spindles.
     
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  8. When I picked up my suspension and other parts at Posies it was mostly Pete&Jakes. So I am figuring the kit maybe Pete&Jakes.
     
  9. RICH B
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    The Speedway and ECI F-150 rotor/GM caliper 5 on 5-1/2 brake kits space the caliper bracket quite a ways inboard on the spindle beyond the amount that could be milled off the leg on the steering arm.
    Your Chevy kit mounts the caliper bracket direct to the spindle permitting the one leg on the arm to be milled 3/8 to sit flat.
     
  10. Pete Eastwood
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    Dave Hummell
    Do this and you will be happy!
     
  11. Kevin Ardinger
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    Yeah, gotcha. I thought about that after posting.
     
  12. I used a front disc brake kit from Magnum for my '40 coupe.....everything fit and operated perfectly. I bought things from Posies that were very inferior in fit and finish......he said it wasn't his problem when I talked to him directly. I wouldn't let Posies tie my shoes.....
     
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  13. nochop
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    Some rims don’t play well with calipers
     
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  14. marfen
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    old ford 5.5 bolt circle 16" rims don't clear Socal hidden disc 45 fin fake drums. Had to use a spacer for clearance.
     
  15. brading
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    Do like what you are saying here about modifying and making your own bits. I am always surprised that a lot of guys over there are great at making and modifying bits to suit the rest of the car but when it comes to brakes they seem to shy away and go for off the shelf stuff. Over here we have had to make our own a lot of the time as after market has not been great Done it myself before now. Not knocking you guys, just a view.
     
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  16. Budget36
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    I realize you’re not knocking anyone, but if I were into UK obsolete vehicles, I’m sure I’d have to do the same.
    Ie make parts. But unless a known “yard parts” exist and what combination is needed, it really is a time saver to just buy a proven kit.
     
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  17. brading
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    Ya I can see where you a coming from Mate. Makes common sense. Merry Christmas to you Mate..
     
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  18. Why disks anyway?!?!?!
     
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  19. Mr48chev
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    More traffic on the road with serious braking systems unlike South Dakota farm trucks.
    Simply meaning, in some areas of the country traffic and driving conditions dictate that you run better brakes or spend 99.9 percent of your time making sure that you have an escape plan if the rig in front of you nails the brakes.

    Link to the Pete & Jake aka Superbell 1112-D brake kit. Lots of vendors but Summit popped up a**** the top Pete and Jake's Hot Rod Parts 1112D (summitracing.com)
     
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  20. You obviously have not seen Rapid City drivers. It is combat driving worse than New Jersey.

    And, my question is serious
     
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  21. 19Eddy30
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    Nothing wrong with drum brakes , thinking most dont like because needs adjustment,
    (or donot know how to adjust correctly) I would think the 40 style drum is a better design , shoes can make A complete contact to drum if shoes arched correctly
     
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  22. ken1949car
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    I agree with Tman and 19Eddy30.
    5-6 years ago before I retired I drove my '51 Cad with a warmed over 331 regularly in Chicago traffic.
    Mostly on I-88, 294 tri state and the Ike. Average speed in the non rush-hour hammer lanes was 70+. I never felt braking was a concern. You drive looking 4-5 or more cars ahead. And most drivers during the week are also seasoned commuters that had good skills.
    I kept the brakes in good repair and adjusted properly.
    Just my 2 cents.
    Happy holidays to all!!
     
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  23. I just think I will have better stopping power with discs, I own a 31 ford coup all original and it has the original mechanical brakes, I spent loads of money on cast drums and all new parts it stops as good as the skinny tires will let it.
     
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  24. Mr48chev
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    I've never been in Rapid city but have spent a lot of miles driving in and around Seattle and Portland Oregon including pulling a 21 Ft sailboat in Seattle traffic a lot of times. Around here if you give yourself drum brake stopping distance behind the BMW in front of you some clown in a Honda gets between you and the BMW and a guy in a Prius squeezes in behind him.

    Still it is what a guy is planning on doing with his ride that should be the factor not someone else's exhaulted opinion. I've driven a few hundred K with Drum brakes on all four corners in the past 55 years of driving and ever since I was young and popped a wheel cylinder in traffic in my 55 Metropolitan convertible I have always checked for my excape routes in traffic, usually staying in the right lane in the 48. The trouble is that while we can practice good safe defensive driving in our drum brake rigs we have the fools who see our extra stopping space as a spot for them. Same as the same fools pull in in front of a truck pulling a trailer.
    Truth is if I build an open wheel traditonal car (I have two in the works) they will have drum brakes because I don't like the looks of disk brakes on an open wheel car. Neither will see that much heavy traffic on a regualar basis though. On the other hand my 48 is intended to see serious road miles and a lot of miles but if I catch a guy with his head under the 48 snooping to nitpick he will probably get a size 11 up his ***.
     
  25. gimpyshotrods
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    Because they work better than drums, under all operating conditions. Everything is wrong with drums, compared to discs.

    I can produce 100,000-pages of data the unequivocally back this up. This is settled science.

    It is not open for debate.

    I do really wish that folks would just accept this.

    If people want to run drums, that's fine, but nobody should do so under the misconception that they are equal to, or better than discs.

    I live in a 46.2 square-mile city that has 19,000 fewer people than the entire state of South Dakota, that is in a metro area of 3,318,000 people. That is about the population of South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming, all combined.

    There is simply no way to leave extra following distance. Freeways here were built over the county roads, so, in most cases, there is no "back way" to go anywhere.

    Wealthy people here do not obey traffic signals, or the speed limit.

    That is why my Falcon is brought down to a stop by 14-pistons, gripping the largest discs that will fit in the wheels.

    Those went on the week after I nearly rear-ended none other that a certain reckless social media site buying billionaire, often times the richest man on the planet, in his McLaren F1.

    In my 14-block neighborhood, there are (that I specifically know of) 14-cars that are worth over $200k, and four that are worth over $1M. I cannot afford enough insurance to cover making contact with one of them, or enough lawyer to not be ruined forever by the owner of one.

    When my mid-engine Model A is done, it will have the same braking package.

    Unsafe, un-signaled lane changes are an Olympic sport here, and everyone is trying to make the team.

    Stop signs and even red lights are just suggestions.

    Cops here do not care about traffic enforcement, and will not show up for an accident, unless the road is blocked, there are serious injuries, or a death. People drive with the knowledge that is the case.
     
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  26. Budget36
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    ^^^^Agree, haven’t lived in the Bay Area for quite some time, but the freeways were 50-0-35-10-etc action on the commute from 3-7pm and 5-8 am everyday. I used to look forward to the Xmas/ NY’s companies had shut downs for those two weeks, was a pleasure to drive;)
     
  27. gimpyshotrods
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    The roads look abandoned today.
     
  28. Budget36
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    That’s why I looked forward to the 8 days or so during those two weeks.
    Then reality set in later;)
     
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  29. I owned my own rigs and had to drive in most of the USA and I have had some thrilling times dealing with idiots behind their steering wheels. I have a B model Mack I take to truck shows even that has upgraded brakes and suspension. I figure I have over 200 hp. in a 2,000 lbs.32 truck it should stop as good as it accelerates.
     
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  30. seb fontana
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    Want braking fun try driving a 47 Crosley Sedan around; 6" mechanical brakes.
     
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