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Technical ‘58 ford wagon rear axle bolt pattern change?

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by olskool34, Jan 18, 2023.

  1. olskool34
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    Hey guys,

    looking at a ‘58 wagon rear axle. How hard is it to swap to the earlier bolt pattern? Is it just a redrill or do I need new inner axles/brakes,etc? Sorry I am in the road and want to make an offer on it because the width is really close to what I want.
     
  2. 51504bat
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    ***uming its a 9 inch since its in a wagon and you want to go from 5 on 4.5 to 5 on 5.5?
     
  3. Stock axles have a 1.250 hole drilled in the flange for the retainer bolt access. It almost always needs to be filled and then faced off on both sides.
     
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  4. Pete Eastwood
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    redrilling is the way to go.
    There is just enough room to get 5 on 5 1/2 on the flanges.
     
  5. deathrowdave
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    Done a few , filling the hole as stated must be done first . New axles have came down a bunch in prices , last time I looked , also . I looked and located early Bronco housing and axles to over come the redrill process.
     
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  6. Beanscoot
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    Wasn't there some odd variation around that year in which the wagon had a different pattern than the sedan? Possibly it was Edsel though.
     
  7. Mr48chev
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    Going back to an old Hamb thread Some lincolns of that era and the Edsel Citation and Corsair had 5 on 5 rather than 5 on 4-1/2 or five on 5-1/2. I think I ran into that on a brake job on an Edsel in the early 70's.

    Dollar wise, it is probably more prudent $$ wise to find someone local who can redrill the axles and drums. Drums might depend on if those are good enough and if there is a 5 on 5-1/2 drum that can be bought at the local parts house that works. New axles start around 330 (Dutchman) and then you start adding the extras.
     
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  8. Budget36
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    While on the topic of redrilling axles, what’s a safe limit to keep enough material from the edge of the wheel stud to the edge of the flange?

    Edit: I ask because @Pete Eastwood said there is “just enough room”.
     
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  11. desotot
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    I wonder if there is enough spline on ford pickup axle to shorten them to use in the wagon housing?
     
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  12. Boneyard51
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    The Mercurys of that era had a five on five bolt pattern, you may be thinking of them. I found this out the hard way back in about 1965 when I put a nine inch from a 1959 Mercury under my 55 Ford! I had to carry two spares! Lol,





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  13. brading
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    No Idea what they would cost but what about Strange or similar shafts to your PCD pattern.
     
  14. brading
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    This is an idea I came up with a few years back, it was for front hubs but near shaft would be similar.
     

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  15. olskool34
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    Thanks for all the replies. Yes I believe it is a 5 on 4.5 pattern and I want to go up to 5.5 so I can retain my ‘40 16” wheels. I live in a pretty small town in Northern Michigan and I am not finding too many 9” axles for sale.
     
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  16. Boneyard51
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    Bronco axles might work, your 9 inch should be 28 spline, 28 spline Early Bronco axles are fairly cheap, as everyone that has a Bronco wants 31 spline axles! Maybe!






    Bones
     
  17. Atwater Mike
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    I hear that, Bones! My '54 Ford coupe (# 8 of 11!) came with a '56 Merc parts car. When I saw the difference, I then swapped front spindles and brakes, keeping the 'new' 5-on-5" pattern. But then I added '56 Buick wheels for that 'deep dish' look. Car handled great, looked good, too. Had that 'tough' look.
     
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  19. RICH B
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    Those early 9" rears have a different offset and the required brake drums are obsolete.
     
  20. hotrodA
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    If you can get the length, spline count and bearing to flange space, I would look for a new axle.
    I needed one for the Bronco rear under my 41 pickup and found it at Advanced Auto of all places.
    List was $104, had a 20% off coupon, so I got a Motive Gear new axle for $84 +tax, with free shipping.
     

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