I am in Ca. and I'm having trouble finding a paint that is out of production. Can anyone out there tell me where I can order at least 1 pt. or a qt. of 1970 Pontiac GTO Judge Orbit Orange. I can use acrylic enamel or acrylic urethane. Base coat, clear coat won't look the same as what I want. Any help will be appreciated. Yes, I have had my jobber try and match it, but the only thing he can get even close base coat, clear coat.
Some or most of the companies her in Ca. don't have the proper mixing colors to make it. Looking for a name of paint jobber out of state that can mix this color.
If they don't have the toners it is unlikely it is a state problem. Many of the old toner colours are simply no longer available from any of the paint companies so if they don't have a modern crossover in their system another state is not going to change that. Doesn't make sense for companies to continue to make toners that are no longer in regular use.
Then if your trying to match an orange color on an original 1970 paint job, good luck, orange is one of the worst for fading.
I believe there have been discussions about where to get correct Orbit Orange paint over on the Maxperformance Pontiac board - check in the Body Shop Tech and 69-71 Judges Tech sections. https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/
TCP global seems to have codes for lots of old colors. I've had good luck with their single stage acrylics.
This is a bit off the beaten path. You can "create" single stage. You'll have to experiment a bit but mixing clear with basecoat does work that way. Also, TPC Global in CA used to be able to mix anything. Final thought, PPG ShopLine Plus has more toners and formulas for single or base clear. You have to get a "picture" of the color and I always ask for tints "all sides" of the color incase it comes out (in your case) too yellow, too orange, too green. Test panels required. Also try spraying over tinted bases to enhance the outcome. Anything can be made to match, just don't use LED lights because they will lie to you. Regular incandescent or daylight only.
You can get the color scanned to produce a match with modern materials. All you need is an original paint chip or car panel.
Check with Tammy at Orion Paint. I am pretty sure she will be able to do a match using single stage urethane. High quality paint at fair prices! Orion is a "spin off" from Tamco & those two companies are the only paints I will use anymore! https://orionautomotivefinishes.com/ God Bless Bill https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ar-transport-hauling-open-or-enclosed.614419/
Wonder how they can mix it in bc/cc and not single stage. Same toners where I live. They convert it to base, urethane or enamel
Most new paints contain fewer solids. This makes the sealer color critical to getting a match. Blending the surrounding panels is also needed in most cases. Blending tricks the brain into "seeing" all one color.
Another issue is that the yellow and orange toners available in 1970 contained lead and the toners now have to be lead free. It makes a big difference in some colors, the lead free toners are not as bright and clean.
Anything can be matched. Period. "...the toners from the 70s are no longer..." is horseapples. Who gives a **** what's used if the color is the same. Unless you're The Terminator with digital xray eyes who's gonna know? "Well that's not the color I remember my nextdoor neighbor's ex wife's cousin had on his car." Liar. If I can mix s****s and get an invisible blend on an old ORIGINAL 57 Tbird Goldenrod yellow color ANYTHING can be done. Anyone who says no is lazy, colorblind, or overthinking the whole process. Or, do they do chemical ****ysis on a paint chip now for judging? Was that million dollar Orbit Orange conv painted with new old stock paint or was it the "wrong color"? Yes, I'm coming on strong. Done too many and know better. Go for it, I've done this paint craft for nearly 50 years.
That's all well and good when you are doing it yourself and have a bank of toners in your shop to play with all day. No good paint jobber has the time to piss around for hours matching a colour by eye to sell a pint of paint to some guy off the street. If the original toners are not available then they have no code to make it from.
You could try Ogden Auto Color, Ogden UT. Also, you might find a body shop with a mixing system and a chip collection, for large trucks. The last one I worked at had all of that, and there are a boatload of shades to pick from. Be prepared to pay, because you are a pain in rear to them, costing them dollars by the second. I still go there for weird stuff that PPG can't do with their automotive formulas, even though the truck stuff is still PPG, or whatever name they may call it.
I’ve had colors matched for 60s colors. Both mixed in enamel. Polished a part and had that scanned. Mixed to whatever that tool came up with. Looked good to me, but I don’t expect new paint to match 50 year old paint perfectly. Shade and color is achievable. The depth and shine level is harder. But matching a color isn’t the hard part. It’s convincing a customer your not matching old. Sometimes you get creative. Like cutting enamel with hot thinner to dull it. Or rubbing the new with 3000-5000 grit to dull it down. Lacquer is easier. I’ve watched a friend melt in 60 year old lacquer that looked great. That’s also blending. Panel paint? Good luck.
You didn't read what I said. I had no toners except a few leftovers that would work from another mix. I don't want the paint tech to match my color perfect. Take the pic, make me some color, give me related tints in separate cans so I can adjust as needed. I asked for a medium red once, ***** color to get spot on. He gave me a few oz of blue, brown, orange and brite red so I could move the color in the right direction after I do a spray out. I mean really, am I the only swingin **** on the HAMB that does that? And I'm not dissin bro, we talked paint before and you definitely have a grip on it, but seriously. This is not an impossible task. Gimme a couple hours and I'll be fkn dead on balls on a bright sunny day. True test. And don't forget the "flop", the difference when you view at angles. I'll stand by what I said, anything less is lazy and I'll add defeatist as well. How you can vs why you can't.
I read what you wrote you just have no concept of how a jobber store actually works for guys who don't do business with them on an everyday basis. I am in different jobber stores everyday and there is not a single one that would give some guy walking in off the street buying a pint of paint extra toners so he could match his paint. NEVER going to happen.
I’ve taken a part to the store and had it tinted. But I know the guys. The scanners aren’t perfect but I took a panel from my step van. They scanned it. They came up with a blue from 1957. The van was built in 1957. But if you’re looking for panel paint perfect, good luck. Option 2 would be a reputable paint shop. Pay them x per hour to work out the color. Still not going to match 50 years of sun damage. But an experienced painter can probably fake it very close
Absolutely. https://www.autocolorlibrary.com/ is on the TCPglobal site. Give them a call to confirm if they'll mix it. If shipping to Ca is an issue, we may need a HAMB mail relay Agree scanning the paint you're matching is the best option, fading etc.
I'm a very low volume shop paint wise. I do and have done a lot over the years. Even in my slowest times I've never been refused a splash of tint for color adjustment. I don't want a whole can, a few ounces. Logically, why wouldn't they? I adjust, I'm happy, they don't have to **** with it. A pint or a gallon same/same. I dunno, maybe I'm talking Serbian or something. Ask. If you get "**** you here's your damn paint!" why are you even there? PPG for decades, switched to DuPont for less than a year, different jobber, even they would accommodate the request although I only needed it once. Lucky? Smart? Full of ****? Maybe some of all the above but...
And you are matching orange. It's gonna be faded. Have it scanned, but even a perfect match will fade differently than the original in the future.
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