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Hot Rods Need Chevy 6 wisdom

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Racemaster33, Mar 2, 2023.

  1. Racemaster33
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    I’ve got an old ELLIS in-line 6 Chevy intake manifold with no casting numbers, part numbers or numbers at all for that matter.
    I’m searching for the wisdom of the in-line 6 guys & gals to help me identify it. I’m guessing the distance between ports will be the only way to identify it. I don’t currently have any I6 engines to match to so.
    The guy I got it from said it was Chevy but I forgot what engine size (long ago). Measuring with a tape measure ports are 1 1/2” and appear to be 8 1/2” apart center to center
     
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  2. Moriarity
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    Pictures and measurements would help
     
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  3. Johnny Gee
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    Not so much the span, it’s the diameter of the runner to head having to match up.
     
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  5. Moriarity
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    are you certain it is for a Chevy? could be for a GMC....
     
  6. Racemaster33
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    The port size measures 1 1/2” and they are 8 1/2” apart
     
  7. Racemaster33
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    I have a series 2 GMC one with a part number (so I know it’s GMC) and it’s WAY bigger than this one
     
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  8. Johnny Gee
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    Just sold the 235 we had here so I have nothing to measure spread. But at 1 1/2” put’s it to be later 235 because early 235 shared the smaller ports as a 216.
     
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  9. Racemaster33
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    Thanks for the info, it’s a start at least. I’m hoping someone has an intake or head they can measure so I know for sure what I have.
     
  10. Moriarity
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    I have a 216 manifold, I will go dig it out
     
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  11. Racemaster33
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    You ROCK!
     
  12. Racemaster33
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    I think you may have nailed it sir. I found comments on another site that said the 216 and early 235’s had 1 1/4” ports and the later version 235 had 1 1/2” ports.
    I’ll know for sure when Moriarity measures his 216 intake
     
  13. Late 216, 235, and 261s port "spread" are the same I am running an Edelbrock 216 intake (I had the intake manifold ports machined) on my 261.
     
  14. Moriarity
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    Ok the port spacing is 8.5 inches and the port size is 1.4 inches where the gasket ring goes in. I think they call this 1 3/8 ports. Yours must be a 235


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  15. Racemaster33
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  16. Moriarity
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    Yup you’re right I just measured 1.250 75BD9C7A-2110-44CD-803D-5480D3FAFB20.jpeg
     
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  17. IIRC some manifold suppliers had stepped bushings that adapted the later manifolds to the early 216" manifolds.
     
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  18. jimmy six
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    In all my years of running GM 6 cylinders starting in 1961 only my first one used the rings. As I ported and tapered intake and heads I found I couldn’t use them so I didn't. A large port intake on a smaller port heat that I tapered to the manifold size gave me the best street drivability torque by making the intake runner a venturi.
    Food for thought!
     
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  19. Johnny Gee
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    ^^^^^ The ring for me are to ensure proper alignment. I’ve assembled a few with out ring with no issue. Just took my time.
     
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  20. Johnny Gee
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    I need to add though, they do offer a fair amount of support so as not to be able to slide down ward especially when running in stock form with exhaust manifold attached.
     
  21. RDR
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    Plus, these are clamped to the head and not through bolted...
     

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