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Projects ID This 4 Cylinder From 1918

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Speed Gems, Mar 10, 2023.

  1. Speed Gems
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    I found this in one of my Facebook groups this morning and thought I would share. It's a 4 cylinder engine from 1918 (maybe 1913) It might not even be automotive.

     
  2. mitch 36
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    It certainly bears a close resemblence to the engine that was in my '25 Dodge Bros. The front chain case, water pump and magneto drive especially. Just a wild observation. Although, the intake system is completely different :)....Mitch
     
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  3. @mitch 36

    nailed it , don’t care if you think “ it bears a close resemblance “

    it dang nab is a good ol’ Dodge engine .


    Simply has to be , it’s Hamb law :D
     
  4. mitch 36
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    Ha, I thought so, BUT after closer investigation, the head is different. I'm holding with Dodge but I have been wrong before, MANY times. Just ask my wife :):):) Mitch
     
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  5. caprockfabshop
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    It's not Dodge, it has intake and exhaust manifolds on the driver's side, all dodge flathead motors have it on the p***enger side.
    A-PH2-1927-Dodge-Bros-Fast-4-Photo-002-web.jpg
    I'll do some looking.
     
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  6. dwollam
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    You are right, it is not Dodge! However...the one in your pic is a late 1927 124 model commonly called a "Fast Four". All the DB engines before that have the carb on the left bolted to the block with intake p***age internal and a separate exhaust manifold on the right. The "Fast Four" engine was only used in the last 90 days of '27 production and '28 in the Standard Four model. I have 6 of those engines with 2 in roadsters and 1 in a Graham Brothers Screenside.

    I have no clue what the engine is in the O/G post.

    Dave
     
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  7. Oldtmtech
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    I’m thinking more tractor/industrial like this Beaver 02FA658A-D8FC-4325-BA7B-B4EAC94D7AE9.jpeg
     
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  9. Budget36
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    The flywheel on it doesn’t look like it would accept a clutch. Looks like something to run a flat belt for sawmill, etc. I realize the FW could have been added on to it though.
     
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  10. 62rebel
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    spark plugs on top of unidentifed engine
     
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  12. SR100
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    It looks like the flywheel for a cone clutch:
    upload_2023-3-11_3-0-17.jpeg
     
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  13. Budget36
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    If it was, odd that someone would leave that FW on the engine and not retain the rest of it.
     
  14. nrgwizard
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    No, not if it was adapted to a flat-belt pulley system, since a clutch wouldn't be used. For, say, a machine shop, lumber shop, grain miller, maybe even water-pumper(fields, mines, what-have-you) etc. & depending on what make & driveline style, the trans n diff probably were combined into a transaxle driven by a long prop shaft, 3/4-elipital springs, & a long torque arm. Like say Studebaker did from at least as far back as 1913, though at least 1918. That powerplant isn't stude, I don't think.
    Marcus...
     
  15. 25mercury
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    How about an Oakland ? Here are some pics of a 1915 Oakland. 1915-Oakland-Model-37-Raceabout-53-762x456.jpg 1915-Oakland-Model-37-Raceabout-57-762x456.jpg
     
  16. mitch 36
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    Winner winner chicken dinner. It looks like the facebook one is an Oakland with a magneto conversion. Possibly a Bosch DU4..Mitch
     
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  17. Beanscoot
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    How can the Facebook guy claim to know its date without knowing what make it is?
     
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  18. '29 Gizmo
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    Click bait. Its all about engagement
     
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  19. SR100
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    Casting numbers.
     
  20. seb fontana
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    from ct

    ^^^on side of block^^^
     
  21. SR100
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    If it was built in 1913, it could be a Northway 35hp marine engine:
    NWay MB 12-12, p.114.JPG
    I don't know how long Northway made a 4-cylinder marine engine. The 4-cylinder 1913 Oakland (which used a Northway engine) was listed as a 35hp model.

    In any case, the flywheel on the engine shown in the video is not the Northway cone clutch flywheel:
    1915 Oakland Capture.JPG
    It is missing the step in the outer cir***ference shown in this pic from a 1915 owners' manual. Since the bellhousing appears to be cast into the block on the Oakland engine, I believe it is the marine engine, not an Oakland. The rails it is mounted on look like a barnyard or industrial conversion.
     
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  22. Beanscoot
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    Okay, I watched some of the video, and see the date code.
    Maybe someone will recognize the AR in hexagon logo:

    upload_2023-3-13_19-58-11.png
     
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