I did take the parcel to UPS and got a quote for shipping but as mentioned previously, she told me she would not give a printed quote because the rates change so quickly. I told the buyer that but also told him the cost that she gave me at the time. Even if rates change, I think that gave him a fair idea of the approximate cost. I will wait and see what he says next but I doubt that I will hear from him again.
Thank you everyone for all your advice. I will wait for payment through Paypal before sending anything.
Just a correction. As a seller, you don’t need PayPal “goods and services” for any protection. As a seller F&F has no risk. As a buyer you want the protection, unless I’m missing something?
Friends and family. It’s a good way to get screwed if you’re not careful ! Only use that for your really good friends,,,or family,,,,just as the tag implies . And even then you might get cheated ,,,,,, . Tommy
TRUE= Very...... But if the buyer is already going sideways with this transaction, and who's to say he won't report it as damaged goods, didn't show up, etc........starts a claim, and then the BS for Cuddy starts....... F&F is so the seller doesn't get the percentage taken out...=Good for sellers, but what's a cpl bucks...... Straight shot under =good's and services protects the buyer from mis-led descriptions/false advertising...and gives the buyer some kind of a safety net to redeem $....... With all this, id'e just p*** on this sale, and wait for someone who "get's it".......
Well how can he (buyer) dispute anything if done F&F? I’m trying to understand the sellers risk, I just don’t see any. Edit: In my mind, since not paying for goods or services, there’s nothing that can be disputed. I/e a few months back an old friend needed a few bucks. I sent it to him F&F. What could he dispute?
The buyer can't......... No risk to the seller either. Like "here's a gift for you in your account"...... But- once said buyer does that-no turning back........... It's just the ying/yang of PP. Hope it all works out, but....... with the send me stuff first deal........ I'll gladly pay you tuesday, for a hamburger today =Wimpy
One must be careful but I have shipped items to members on here who I have had conversations with. Just sent the item with amt in package--never an issue thus far but be cautious.
None. What I am saying is if you do not know the person and if there is any doubt then do not send it F and F. On the other hand if it is someone here that is an upstanding member and you feel confident that the item is accurately described then it may be ok to chance it
FOR PAYPAL YOU need good and services in you want to dispute ANYTHING. Friends and family is like handing your dog a 5.00 bill and him eating it, its gone, nada goodbye. no protection. That said NEVER ship anything without payment. Be upfront and say this is an estimate, if you need to cover your but add another 5.00-10.00 and let them know you can refund the difference. I bought and sold a lot of stuff, I would rather have a rough estimate, than no estimate and shocking price. I would not pay after the fact IMO, the buyer can just say he doesnt like the shipping cost? who fault is that. either the buyer wants it or not, always try for USPS ground or USPS flat rate. it helps some, but shipping is getting pricey.
This is my procedure for selling anything to anyone online. First, get a phone number. Call and talk to the person directly. I do this whether selling or buying. Second, if I'm selling an item here, on eBay, Craigslist or Facebook I list my zip code, the dimensions and weight of the items as it will be shipped. I do not calculate shipping. I tell the buyer to go to Pirated Ship and get a quote and if the deal goes through I have the seller pay for the shipping, with pick up at my house. I protect myself in case for some reason the shipping charge is higher than what was paid. I've been charged extra when this has happened in the past. I have also been accused of overcharging for shipping. If the seller initiates the shipping they know what it will cost. The closest shipping store, either UPS, FedEX or UPSP is ten miles from my house and I am going to drive 20 miles round trip to drop off a package unless I'm going to be in the area but that might not be for a week or more. I then have the person generate a shipping label and email me a copy of it. I'll package the item and affix the shipping label to it and wait for the shipper come by to pick it up. I used to provide shipping costs but I could spend almost an entire day giving quotes to ten different locations across the country.
This is the 3rd thread I am aware of this week where the OP doesn't know how to work the board as well as general Internet ettiquette. I mean this stuff has been commonplace for over two decades?!
If you have a lot of history here, not much to worry about. I haven't had a bad deal gone bad in 20 years. Now, that being said, if you don't have much history and I don't know you, you better make a damn good case you want to be known and where you live. And believe me, trust but verify. Business is business. It's a small world.
I have been selling a whack of stuff......I ALWAYS state in the Ad. buyer pays shipping..... Sold at least 10 items in a month or 2... not an issue as all the buyers realize that shipping is incredibly expensive.... In short. the Buyers always pays shipping..... unless you sell through eBay and the sellers there are stepping on shipping by 10000%
If I have a customer sending me money by Pay Pal or a check I invite him to check out my business history over the years. I have nothing to hide. Same goes if I'm buying something. I try to find any negatives about the seller if I can? I find most of the guys on the HAMB & BARN are straight forward about their history. Not that it always works, I've been screwed a few times, but that's my problem.
To clarify, as there seems to be some confusion, the "friends and family" option is risky as the buyer since there are no protections for them if something goes wrong. That's why they only suggest you use it for people you know personally. There's no fee for this service. The other version of Paypal, "Goods and services" takes a percentage, but you can dispute things if they don't show up. That's good for the buyer. In the OP's case, being the seller, if they accept a payment by friends and family, then the (yet unnamed) buyer would not be able to get their money back through Paypal. That's a potential risk for the buyer, but totally fine for OP, who we ***ume will send the part as promised and all will be well. If you're receiving money, the Friends and Family option has 0 risk. You got the money and they can't get it back in any way. If OP gets paid that way, no issues. It is a risk of a scam if you're the buyer and sending money that way (no recourse).
What Budget 36 is trying to say is that if you are the "seller", if someone sends you money by F & F, you already have the money in hand before you ship the part. That is IF the person sends you the money before you ship the part. As a "buyer", you then ***ume all the risk when you do it that way. From my limited experience with Facebook and its "Metapay" system, I can say that this is not the experience that I had with it. They offered no ***istance when a guy scammed me even though they charged me a fee for the service. Let me explain this, as it may help someone later. I used Paypal like I always do.......BUT somehow Metapay processed the payment. I paid what I thought was Paypals Goods and Services fee.......it turned out to be a fee charged by Metapay because I was using a "credit card" to make the payment. I buy a lot of things on line using Paypal and while I have a "balance" available in my Paypal account, my normal thing is a "credit card" which I pay off completely each month. Works really well and there are never any charges by Paypal for having the credit card as the primary money source. I also don't pay the credit card anything because I pay it off each month. So imagine my surprise when I learned that the fee I paid was to Metapay for covering the purchase with the same credit card......and Paypal didn't cover me. Contacting Metapay was a waste of time and they did nothing to help me recover my money. Now this guy is a well known "crook" in the small town he resides in. The City and County attorneys both know him well. Seems he had a small car lot (now defunct) and scammed a lot of people. He said he had no Paypal account and asked me to send the money to his wife.....then changed it to his "boy". Turns out that the "boy" was not his son, not even related to him, and had killed himself 2 years ago. So he had a fraudulent account and somehow he got the money from it. I used "Find Someone" to locate him and a whole lot of people who provided info on him. OH, his Facebook page showed pictures of him with various family members and their loving affection for each other. His ex wife got as far away as she could, and his son says he no longer has anything to do with him because "he's always doing this stuff" and people get mad at him for what his father does. He showed ties to religious and hot rod friends. Looked good on his facebook site. So I will say, I don't care how nice they seem........there are scammers everywhere...probably even on the Hamb. I provided the information with all the emails the guy sent promising to ship and giving me rediculous excuses why he didn't, along with the names and phone numbers of people who were related or knew him. He apparently has more than just my complaint against him currently. The state police officer called and said he went to the guys house twice and he wouldn't answer the door even though he was home. Third time was charm and he caught him at a neighbors house.........guess his truck gave him away. He ***ured the officer he would return my money (Ha). Haven't heard from him and am awaiting the county attorney to file charges. So, be sure you use Paypal "goods and services" and that the fee gets paid to them. Its usually pretty simple.
ekimneirbo, this type of situations are exactly what credit card protections are for. If it's not been too long, I'd call whatever credit card company you had tied to your card and see if they will initiate a charge-back. Should be pretty easy to do considering you've already contacted law enforcement on it, unless too much time has p***ed. I realize this is a bit off-topic but could be useful to others who might stumble on this thread later on. If you buy something through Paypal (or any online payment system) using a credit card tied to that account, the credit card protections will still work. Generally you've got 6 months to do it. That's why a lot of scammers like to string people along with promises instead of just disappearing. If they get you past the 6 months mark, you lost forever.
And, there are also REGIONAL flat rate boxes, which are less than the Priority rates, but same benefits. And, you can go to the USPS website and order all the sizes, which they will ship to your home for free....(Wonder why they are always losing money...?)
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