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Technical 322 Nailhead to Ford Trans w 264 flywhl?

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Nailhead A-V8, Jan 19, 2023.

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  1. Nailhead A-V8
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    Any more specific information on this bit of info
    would be very helpful as well as anything on the pilot bearing (without machining) would be much appreciated!
     
  3. HEATHEN
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    I believe that the flywheel will interchange between 264 and 322. The reason for the two part numbers is that the 264 used a smaller clutch.
     
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    That would be great if that's the case! thanks @HEATHEN
    ...what about the flywheel cover? I guess one probably originally came with the offy adaptor bell but is now missing...clutch would be Ford I guess?...but what size was the 322 clutch vs. 264? which pressure plate? I remember the 264 PP being an odd wavy design I think it went with the Buick trans and probably of no use...but I guess the PP would also be Ford to match the throwout etc.?
     
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    Get the Buick/Ford body mocked up yet? Nice to see a post from you!
     
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  7. I think @wex65 went thru this with his build a while back. Might check with him as I recall he spent a lot of time figuring out where to source all the pieces.
     
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    A Long style pressure plate is the one that Ford used for years. It's the one with three groups of two bolts close together, if that makes any sense. I have no idea what a "spigot adapter" is. The last I knew, a spigot was what you turned when you wanted some water. There was an adapter that went into the end of the Buick crank, and then the actual pilot bushing went into the adapter.
     
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    As I recall, 322s used an 11 inch clutch, while the 264s used a 10 incher.
     
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    Thanks again @HEATHEN
    Thanks @vtwhead I read the whole thread but didn't see anything about the trans...from the pics it didn't look like a Ford 3 spd. the adaptor was much different than mine...
     
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    I may be able to get you a picture of the pilot bushing adapter tomorrow.
     
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    That would be great!
     
  13. HEATHEN
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    This is a '55 264 that I removed from a 1949 Ford F-2 truck. As you can see, the adapter pressed into the crankshaft, and the bushing into the adapter. 20230121_112215.jpg 20230121_112209.jpg
     
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    ...and this is the pressure plate that they used. Definitely not factory Buick. 1950 Mercury, maybe? 10 inch clutch, in any case. 20230121_135505.jpg
     
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    @HEATHEN pm'd you ...yes 10" sounds better for the not overly tough Ford 3 speed...and it looks like it bolts on ...I don't see any redrilling on the flywheel
    I'm mainly concerned about whether there are differences in weight/size between the 264 and 322 flywheels
     
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    I see no reason why you can't. Both engines were internally balanced.
     
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    Regarding that flywheel cover you asked about on post #4, you need the one from the Dynaflow trans that the engine was originally attached to.
     
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  18. HEATHEN
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    Buick went with an externally balanced flywheel in '57.
     
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    Any luck @HEATHEN ? Crossing my fingers over here:D
     
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    I went right to where I knew it was in my garage....and it wasn't there. So, now I've got a lot of territory to cover.
     
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    Still looking for those hen's teeth...anyone got any ideas, sources etc.? Paging Dr. Heathen...paging Dr. @HEATHEN
     
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  22. If you need the adapter and pilot bushing contact Billy Belmont, Belmont's Rod and custom. 781-326-9599
     
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  23. Nailhead A-V8
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    Actually as far as I've been able to ascertain they all were externally balanced...so since the 264 had smaller pistons ( less rotating mass) it stands to reason the counterweights would be different
    "since all Nailhead engines were externally balanced, mixing dampers and flywheels with some models is not going to work.”
    Getting your balance with a Buick is critical. “Because all Nailheads are externally balanced, the flywheel/flexplate must be installed with the index holes lined up,” Martin explains. “They can bolt on six different ways but only one way will be vibration-free!"
    https://www.underhoodservice.com/tech-spec-nailing-down-the-misunderstood-buick-nailhead/
    Great guys...very knowledgeable and helpful...they have the adaptor and a gm pilot bushing that could be honed out to Ford size but I'm up in Canada and it's under their basic shipping value

    Thanks!
     
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  24. LAROKE
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    This is the dust cover you need. They come up on e-bay from time to time.

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  25. Nailhead A-V8
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    still need these items if anyone can help pm me Thanks!
    - '53-'56 Dynaflo 322 flex/flywheel cover (see above ^^^ thanks @LAROKE)
    - crank adaptor for 322 to pilot bushing (or someone who can ship it to me from Centreville)
    - early Ford pilot bushing
    - '46 -'47 Ford truck slip yoke
    and or any thoughts ideas or information you may have....Thanks!
     
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