Technical Quick Change Identification

Whats the easiest way to get an ID on this rear end? This is new territory for me. Ive been told its likely halibrand or winters but they all look the same to me right now. lol

 

The easiest way to identify that center section is to simply read the inscription that has been cast into it. This is a Halibrand 201 center section. Halibrand Eng will be cast into the bottom of the cover plate and most likely Culver City CA or Torrance CA will also be cast below that.

 

Awesome, thanks. I didnt see anything on it last time i tried figuring it out but i may not have been looking in the right place.

 

I have a Halibrand 201 V8 center section that was in the original box, bought by my late friend and entrusted to me until his death. He bought it directly from Ted Halibrand. It has no information on the q/c cover, but has Halibrand Torrance City Ca. cast into the right side. The only one I have seen cast that way. I was surprised but know every bit of its history from the day my friend carried it out of Halibrand's shop until the day I aquired it.

 

The OP’s rear cover is an early production part. Only two tangs and no bosses under the fill plug. Should say Culver City on it unless it’s been sanded off.

 

It ain't a Cyclone -- too sophisticated.

 

Cool, thanks for the info? Is earlier better, worse, doesnt matter? lol

 

Worth more. Probably not better quality.

 

I wont complain about that. lol

 

@deucemac
I'm wondering about when your friend bought that Halibrand. I've always thought that the 'Torrance City' cover probably was a mistake that happened when Ted moved from Culver City to Torrance. Probably, someone was just took off 'Culver' and added 'Torrance'. At that time Torrance was not a city.

I didn't know (or remember) any center castings having that same 'mistake'.

I think the move was around 1963.

 

If is on A axle housings and carrier it is a 101...

 

Its been verified as a 201.

 

It does in fact say culver city on the cover.

 

good...hope that was the news you wanted...good luck

 

I have no idea either. We're it not in the possession of my friend since the day he bought it at Halibrand I might question it. But, since I know the complete history of it, I can't question it. I am not young any more and am thinking of selling it to someone that can appreciate it and hopefully use it.

 

Yes. A 201 with an early cover. But not the earlyest case. Earlyest case had a 1" square on the change gear sides. Do not identify a Q C by the cover. I have installed several genuine Culver City covers on Rodsville Q C's at the customers request. I have 2 genuine C C covers and one Torrance City cover in stock right now. The only way to tell a Halibrand from a Rodsville. Hal. has a much narrower rib over the top. Unpolished Q C on the floor. N O S 1950 Hal. with the squares.

 

Thanks for the info, i really appreciate it! Maybe this is a stupid question but i havnt gotten it torn down yet and was wondering what type of axles they use. The 5x5.5 bolt pattern is no good for me so they need to be changed out.

 

40-48 hubs only come 5 x 5.5. You can go to slip in axles. Quite costly. I wanted Billet Specialties to make Legacy wheels for me. 5 x 5.5. They wouldn't/couldn't. I had the stock Ford hubs drilled 5 x 4.5.

 

Ray Charles can tell it's not a Winters. More cover bolts and case smooth over the top.

 

@Adrenaline,
No way to tell what axles you have now from your pic.
Does the axle end protrude from the hub and have a cotter key? (Early Ford tapered axles)
Or is the center hub flat? (Later conversion push in axles)

 

Folks, in one of his other threads he has posted a pic of his slide in axles. He asked us what kind they were, but isn’t able to give us any closer pics or part numbers. I guessed they were a homemade F-1 conversion based on the two pics he posted.

OP, nothing production made will just slide into your current configuration, but I’m sure that there’s a few different axle manufacturers that would love to custom make some for you. Or, you could just redrill the current axle pattern.

 

Ill get it apart tonight and see. Thanks

 

There arent any identifying numbers on the drums. The one thats there isnt really legible unfortunately. Couldnt really get pics of it taken apart because the hubs were pretty stuck in place. Ill be working on it tonight though.

 

Well, that was easier than i thought it would be. Only one of the drums was a little stuck.

 

19 spline axles!
Anyone?

 

Yeah, i was surprised when i pulled them out. lol

 

I have what I believe to be a very early 50's 201 center section. It was set up with 19 spline side gears. I asked Johns Industries to make me some axles. Can't cut 19 splines. I installed 28 spline side gears. PS; I think they used 50 Merc axles way back then.

 

Yeah, i was thinking my best option would be to convert it over to a more common spline count. Where did you get your 28 spline gears from?

 

28 spline may not do you any good if they used Merc outer axle ends. I doubt you have 9" or 8" outer ends. If you do I will send you the Ford 28 spline side gear part #. What bolt pattern wheels were you wanting to use? Just a thought. 51 Merc axles 5 x 4.5" . I would think they kept the 19 spline ends.

 

Ah, got it. I am hoping to use 5 x 4.5

I could probably just get the ones i have drilled for the bolt pattern i want as well.