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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by 4211papas34, Jul 17, 2023.

  1. T. Turtle
    Joined: May 20, 2018
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    Approving mods by the government/insurance is a double edged sword. Be too strict and eventually there will be people who will take their chances and just drive illegally. Have none and you may end up with work like on the OP's car. From I've seen there a few countries where hot rodders and authorities managed to find a kind of a golden path (Sweden, New Zealand) - but only a few...
     
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  2. 2OLD2FAST
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    Hope your thoughts don't become reality ...
     
  3. nochop
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    Advice…..wear this while attending court…. IMG_6009.png
     
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  4. RodStRace
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    That's one o' them new fangled ones. I like the old style. In reference to the thread
    Things that worked, until someone in modern times decided they don't.
    [​IMG]
     
  5. HOTRODNORSKIE
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    First time reading this thread did the coil over break driving home or did you drive it that way should of been loaded on a trailer right at the shop and payment stopped . The guy that has a shop next to me owns a 47 Pontiac with bad work also 80 grand and nothing to show for rear bags are just tacked in motor below scrub line on and on. He has a law suit pending so your not the only one I feel for you good luck.
     
  6. Baumi
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    Seems like even dirty deeds ain’t done dirt cheap anymore.
     
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  7. Harv
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    Sadly, common sense ain’t that common.

    Cheers,
    Harv
     
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  8. It used to be, in NY if you weld on a chassis (body shops and modifications) you are supposed to have a state inspector sign off on it. I'm not sure how it is today, But in the case of the OP... not a terrible idea.
     
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  9. 4211papas34
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    In response to hotrodA's post yes the picture he posted is Robert "Bob" Yonkee

    An update!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The police were at my house last night

    At approximately 9:40pm

    Mr Yonkee sent me a text threatening my safety he is not too happy that people are aware of the work he did

    The text is now evidence

    I will continue to follow the legal system to resolve this matter
     
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  10. Budget36
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    I hope when he sent you the threatening text you replied with “don’t talk to me, talk to my lawyer, you’ll meet him soon enough”
     
  11. 1971BB427
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    Glad you got the police involved. I wouldn't take anything he texted or says lightly. Besides being a clown, he sounds stupid enough to carry out threats he's sent you.
     
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  12. nochop
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    Ooooo! Share the text, this is better than tv
     
  13. bobj49f2
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    This subject got me wondering. I know a lot of people who have done modifications to their cars, many altering the frame and suspensions. I wonder what happens to someone who drives an altered vehicle and gets into an accident. Ever if that person isn't responsible for the accident you know when the law and lawyers get involved they are going to try to spread the blame to everyone involved. I would think the first thing that would come up is the non factory modifications. Now if the guy who is driving the modified car is responsible for the accident that has to open a real can of crap.
     
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  14. gimpyshotrods
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    Not even if my earliest years of working on cars did I do anything this wrong.

    Do not interact with this guy. Do not respond in in any way to any attempts made to contact you.

    Hire a lawyer.
     
  15. Also he may be hip to the HAMB by now.
     
  16. stanlow69
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    How in the world do people that do work like this actually make it in this world today.
     
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  17. clem
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    In New Zealand, - scratch built vehicles and any modifications to other vehicles are supposed to be certified,

    which, in theory, would eliminate the issues mentioned below……….

     
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  18. gimpyshotrods
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    That would not scale to the size of the US, and likely could not be managed due to how US laws work.

    Motor vehicle codes are under the control of each of the 50-states.

    For perspective, the New York City metro area has just under 4x the population of New Zealand, and the Los Angeles metro area has about 3x.

    California alone has nearly 10x the number of registered vehicles that New Zealand has people.

    Given the low percentage of the overall vehicle quantity in the US that are modified (and far fewer that are scratch-built), the physical size of the US, and how comparatively little money there is to make in this business, regulation by other than free-market forces would kill the industry.
     
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  19. gimpyshotrods
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    I'm not posting this here to advocate for this sort of thing to be done, just for how I would do it if it were me.
     

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  20. justpassinthru
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    This thread just makes me sick to my stomach, what has been done to the OPs car and to top if off, now also threats from the guy that did the work!

    But I guess I am a glutton for punishment, and I keep going back to the post when its updated, to see what's added.

    I really hope the OP gets some satisfaction, going after the POS that did the work and find a competent shop to straighten all this mess out. We are all with you brother.

    That shop has a really professional looking website, nice photos etc, looks nice on the surface.
    Goes to show you, "you can't always judge a book by its cover".

    I think the OP did his due diligence the best he could, researching, going to see the shop, talk with the owner of the shop etc, maybe short of finding other folks that had work done there.
    Looked good on the cover!

    Shit like this, makes it harder for us good shops to " gain the customers trust"

    Again, this whole deal makes me sick.

    Bill
     
  21. T. Turtle
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    Well I'm already in one of those countries where everything non-standard is a pain (Austria) so to me having rules like in NZ or Sweden would be an improvement.

    But then there's always a worse place like France or Israel where ANY modification is illegal, so I'll count my blessings...
     
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  22. atomicglowman
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    You can....but just not everyone.
     
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  23. clem
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    I fail to see how scale has any relevance.
    Ultimately it is just a governance issue on a larger scale and it will just lower any unemployment. (ie, you will just need more people to administer it).
    I also fail to see why each of your 50 States can’t administer their own codes for specialty vehicles, which I believe is how Australia handles it, with their administrative system. (which seems similar to the United States).

    …..but alas, we are digressing from the original intention of this thread……..
    .
     
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  24. Individual states do handle their own vehicle registration and codes in Australia. As far as modified vehicles, how that happens varies from state to state.

    All states have a street rod building guide book for good and acceptable construction practices, which is basically common to all of them (can be accessed on line.) This was negotiated with state governments many years ago by the ASRF (Australian Street Rod Federation), which is a member organisation, not a business.

    In my state the goverment has delegated the inspection and certification of hot rods to the state branch of that organisation, in accordance with agreed principals as mentioned earlier. The people who do the certification have to have industry credentials/experience.

    When you have your paperwork in order you take it to the rego office, hand it to the (usually) friendly person at the counter and because it's a hot/street rod, when entering the vehicle details they select 'street rod' from their drop box on the screen. It's very straight forward. When all the relevant registration information is entered they ask "What kind of plates would you like?"
     
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  25. Marty Strode
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    Sure they are friendly, they are Australians aren’t they!
     
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  26. gimpyshotrods
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    Australia has roughly the same population of just California.
     
  27. gimpyshotrods
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    Scale means money.

    Who is going to pay for the systems changes?

    Who is going to train and pay those that certify?

    Will shops be certified? Who would pay for them to do this?

    Car enthusiasts are such a small percentage of the population that the added expenditures to have a national program, administered by 50-states will simply result in the demise of the future hobby.

    I'm not sure how it works in other countries, but in the United States no law can be made that is facing rearward, that would stand examination by the Supreme Court. Which is to say, you cannot make laws about expecting vehicles, and certifying vehicles that apply to vehicles that are already registered, titled, and on the roads today.

    Any new laws would only apply to new builds. At that point this hobby would be over.
     
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  28. I'm not remotely suggesting any other country or state do anything! I was merely responding to a previous post about how it is done here.;) For reference.;)

    (And by the way, the State does not pay, it's a user pays system.)
     
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  29. Ha ha.:D I wasn't being sarcastic either. In my experience, they are friendly.
     
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  30. Bandit Billy
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    The 11th Commandment, as it has come to be called, was actually a little-known addendum on another tablet that was lost during a temper tantrum on Mt. Sinai some time back.
    "In the case that any of the above happened to you or your loved ones, don't take the law into your own hands... LAWYER UP!"
     
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