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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by J.Ukrop, Sep 7, 2020.

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  1. Six Ball
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    "I'm your daisy."

    A short soak in citric acid & water will remove the rust in & around the chrome on the E-brake handle. You will be surprised how much chrome is still there.
     
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  2. Tim
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    ^ winner winner
     
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  3. J.Ukrop
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    I'm going to give it a shot! I'm interested to see how it turns out!
     
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  4. Six Ball
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    I've talked about it on here before. I even built a simple tank & soaked my '26 Chevy frame. It is just water & food grade citric acid. Safe to pour in the lawn or flower beds when done. It won't screw with the sewer system. The mix is not critical, start with about 1/3 cup to a gallon of water. If that is not strong enough add a little more. It probably won't take more than an hour. but more time won't hurt. A little soft brushing will help. When it is done tense it with plane water and dip it in water & baking soda to neutralize the acid. Put some clear sealer on it to keep it from re-rusting. Maybe just chrome polish will be enough. It won't harm paint. Not sure about aluminum. I think nickel in OK. Many decals & stickers are fine but probably all.
     
  5. J.Ukrop
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    Just got back from a quick trip to Michigan for a wedding and a visit with my family. Right when I walked in the door, my Mom hit me with a surprise.
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    I couldn't believe it! It's Rod 2.0 on a mug that she threw on the wheel!

    Over the past few years, she has grown into an incredible ceramicist. I couldn't have been more excited. Her original plan was to give it to me for Christmas, but she finished the top-secret project ahead of schedule. There's so much to love, from the colors to the car and everything in between. Note the paintjob!
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    I had to test it right away. It's my new favorite mug!
     
  6. J.Ukrop
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    Also in Michigan: running errands in style.
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    When I got back to San Francisco, I had some great things waiting for me. As much as I like the brake lines and fittings, the postcard from my brother brought the biggest smile to my face. Rumor has it that he'll be returning to SF for more hot rod hi-jinx later this fall.
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    Before I went to bed, I wanted to mock up the brake hoses to get a feel for where they'll live. I plan to drill the frame rails for the brake lines to pass through.
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    That's all for tonight. Oh wait, a couple more things. I stumbled upon this model box and I saved it for two reasons. 1) I love the color. 2) You can't beat those descriptions! Time to sign off. Looking forward to making more progress soon.
     
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  7. Outback
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    Progress is progress, a local hot Rodder says 1 hr a day gets a hot rod built. But by bit, thanks for taking us on the journey!
     
  8. Six Ball
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    Your mom's mug brings back the hours at a kick wheel at CCAC in Oakland through the '60s. What a cool place to have spent those years. I is now long gone. I've been running into many connections back to that time & place lately. The model box brings bak memories too.
     
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  9. Make sure you turn the wheel lock to lock in each direction to ensure enough length and no rubbing. Also give yourself some buffer for possible future tire size changes.
     
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  10. RodStRace
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    Way back, a particularly vibrant color of paint would be referred to as 'toner'. As in that was just the mixing tone used to mix other colors. This was before the OEs decided to go wild on the colors. That model reminds me of a Toner Orange rather than Hugger, Chevy or Hemi Orange.
     
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  11. J.Ukrop
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    Great input, advice and memories, everyone! I thought I'd drop in for a super quick update before I call it a night.

    Today is Monday. On my drive to work, I was thinking about all the things I can do to my car tonight. I have transmission parts in the Chem-dip bucket, new brake components to inventory and brake line routing to figure out. Well, by the time I had cleaned up dinner and finished my chores around the house, it was dark. A soft rain had started to fall.

    I thought about all the things I needed to do. I was still excited to do them, but I didn't know where to start. Nonetheless, I put on my raincoat and my boots and walked down to the garage.

    As the world around me readied themselves for Tuesday, I opened the door and flipped on the lights. The neon buzzed, and I scanned my surroundings. It was warm and dry in the garage—my cozy safe haven.

    The first order of business? Think about the brake lines. Recalling @Speedy Canuck's advice, I realized it will be best to actually mount the brake lines beneath the frame on small tabs rather than through it. In this configuration, the lines will be easier to service and the rubber hoses will not interfere with the turning. (I'll conduct another test when I can get a jack under the front end.)

    Next, I broke out all my new fittings. As I pulled them out of the bag, I kept on thinking about the old Eelco slogan: "Fittings That Fit." Luckily for me, everything seemed to fit nicely.
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    Progress on the master cylinder.
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    And on the front driver's side too.

    It didn't take long in the garage for my mood to change. All of a sudden I was excited to set up the brakes again.
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    For my final bit of fun, I broke out the Eastwood tubing straightener. With the nicopp, it was as simple as could be.

    I know many of you have set up countless juice brake systems, but this is my first one—ever. To be completely transparent, I'm feeling a little intimidated. But that's a good thing. Because if I take my time, I can make it work (and grow along the way, too). That's what this project is all about.

    We're now up to date. Stay tuned for more!
     
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    Oh, one more thing! Last week, I finally got my very own SF corner store sign. It's been a dream of mine ever since I moved to the city in 2015. Can't wait to hang it up next to the roadster.
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  13. Tim
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    Very cool on the sign! And very cool on forward progress :)
     
  14. You're a smart guy. Just take a common sense approach to routing. Pick up a bunch of wire coat hangers to help you lay out your routing and plan your bends. Also, cut a few short lengths of brake line and practice your bends first. It'll give you a feel for where your bend needs to start (when you're learning, it's often earlier than expected when dealing with a 90º).
    Also, if you don't make at least one flair without forgetting to put the fitting on first, you've not done it right. :D
     
  15. RodStRace
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    Yep, cut a short length to practice bends and flares, and a piece of tape to hold the fitting against the flare when bending makes one of those 'need three hands' tasks easy. Once you are ready, start with the longest run. That way, if/when you mess up, it can still be used for a shorter run. The first time a fitting is tightened, it takes a bit more than typical torque to take a set. Also, when bending, it might help to draw a line on the tube on the outside of the radius so it lines up in the desired direction. The fitting can end up facing the wrong way, too! Allow enough straight line behind the fitting so it can be unscrewed without hitting the bend.

    Above all, consider servicing. Run lines so wrenches are easy to get in and tighten, lines have enough length to flex away and the part removed, and where other components are to avoid heat, vibration and stress. Don't put clips facing up at the floor, don't hide things so well they are impossible to work on, keep tubing and hoses out of harms way. Oh, and still fit the build period! :D

    Once all lines are run and you are ready for fluid, lay cardboard down and clear all tools except the wrenches needed and a bunch of shop towels. You may get lucky and have zero leaks, but expect at least one and the mess involved. It may require just tightening, or you may have to make a new line if it won't seal. Rare is the line that you can cut off and redo the flare.
     
  16. Adding to this (great info and suggestions), if a fitting won't seal, back it off and re-tighten first. Don't just jump to re-doing the line. I've had fittings that I had to loosen and retighten 3 or 4 times, but then once seated, never leaked again.
     
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    Yep, and visually inspect each part before assembly. Burrs and cuts happen to production new stuff.
     
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  18. Back to servicing, remember that while it is easier to build with the body removed, servicing will be forever done from underneath, with the body mounted.
     
  19. J.Ukrop
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    Thank you, everyone! It feels like you're all in the garage helping me. I do have very limited experience with this kind of thing from when I was setting up the fuel lines on Version 1.5. The more I hear about it, the more excited I am to get moving on it. You guys rule!
     
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    Another day means another night in the garage. Last night, I ordered my brake hose tabs and cushion clamps. On the way home from work today, I picked up the hardware to bolt the master cylinder to the frame (more on that in a future installment). As I shopped, I chatted on the phone with my friend Bob Galbraith of Newport Engineering.

    I've known Bob for close to a decade at this point, and I always enjoy hearing his stories about driving early Fords during the traditional hot rod resurgence of the early 1970s. Last time we talked, he was providing background information for a very special feature in TRJ #86. Today, we dove into a fun conversation about quality, quickchanges and doing things the right way. Soon thereafter, I was back in the garage turning wrenches.
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    In order to run the brake lines, I needed brakes on all four corners. I went to the back of the garage and pulled the loaded backing plates that were once on David's roadster. I jacked up the rear, put it on jack stands and pulled the drums. While they were apart, I took a few minutes to measure them.
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    One was just over 0.040. The other was 0.120 (scrap). Hey, that means I'm one drum closer than I thought I was. When combined with my two good (?) fronts, I'm only a drum away. David says we can turn them on a friend's brake lathe on a future trip to Petaluma. That's exciting stuff!
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    Even though it's just a mockup, it made me wonder: when the last time this rearend had brakes? I also bolted the rear radius rods into position. Real hardware will be installed at a later date.
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    Brake #2.
     
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    Since I was on a roll, I knew I had to do one more thing. I hiked back up to the hall closet and pulled out a heavy box that had been sitting in there for months. With the Buck 110 that my brother gave me a lifetime ago, I sliced open the cardboard and pulled out treasure: my @Steadfast mfg subrail kit. "Woah," I said. "This thing is really nice."
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    It's loosely mocked up right here, but I can already tell it's going to help a great deal once it's time to move on to the next steps.

    That's all for tonight—hopefully more soon!
     
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  22. Tim
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    Awesome!
     
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    Yeah, Ni-Cu is very forgiving...the softness seems to allow it to seal very easily. I redid my OT pickup's lines from scratch and had nary a leak.
     
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  24. 41 GMC K-18
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    Hey @J.Ukrop
    It's always interesting, to see the interior photographs, of fellow HAMBERS garage spaces.
    No doubt that 2.0 is the center of attention in this particular photograph.

    I like to imagine that when the lights go out, the cool Honda trail 90, and the intrepid rubber band powered J-3 CUB and the roll of FOMOCO MOTORCRAFT tape, from their vantage points, all have interesting conversations about the continuing progress of 2.0

    I am sure the dustpan has it's share of positive comments as well !
    Keep at it kiddo, you are making great progress !
     
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  25. Six Ball
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    41 GMC, It is the belief that all things, even old worn out broken things, have feelings & life that cause me to keep stuff that clogs my shop & the area around it making roadster progress difficult. Too much Disney when young I guess? Maybe being raised by depression era Texas ranchers/farmers with the "I may need that." attitude. At any rate I think those conversations happen, too bad they don't do a little assembly from time to time. :rolleyes: GO JOEY!
     
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  26. J.Ukrop
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    I fully intended to have a complete update for everyone tonight, but my couple hours in the garage ran much longer than expected. No problem. It felt good to be out there on a warm autumn night moving a few steps forward and a little bit backwards too.
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    There’s a lot to say, but that will have to wait. Just wanted to let you know I’m still making progress!
     
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    1. Aussie HAMBers

    happens every now and then, all part of the story
     
  28. Stogy
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    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum...ille-roadster-40s-style-build-thread.1099322/

    :rolleyes:...I thought of this when I read your comments...and there's not a more notable face in the Ole A Bone garage than those Scream'n A Dash Clusters...:p

    Dashy ain't happy he's been ousted by another Character...:eek:

    This was Hamber Nick Agius's Roadster build downunder at the link in case anyone's interested...he did a splendid job on it...


     
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  29. Tim
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    No lengthy update because you spent all your time wrenching is the best kind of update. Go
    Man go!
     
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  30. Mikko_
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    Been following this project since day 1 and I'm very excited to see version 2.0 with the body on.
     

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