Art & Inspiration Zeltango

And now our mantra "pictures or it didn't happen" no longer has any meaning

 

Hippo boat dragging a body supported with pontoons DID happen! It was before this AI stuff.

Also, "It didn't happen, but I've got pics" could become a new phrase.

 

How do you use AI programs to draw cars?

 

Literally type in a descriptive story of what you would like to see and clic a button I guess...then it generates an image based on your text entered...

Ryan explains it on the first few pages...Note where he say "Prompt"

 

@Ryan how about something with Tommy Lee's Kurtis modified Cord racing and in the lead of a group of 1939 Indy Racers on a picturesque winding ocean side road in California with Vic Morrow sitting in wait in his 58 Plymouth pushbar killer behind a billboard as they fly by...

ps. You can sub Vic and the 58 for a late 30's Cop in a period car if you think its more fitting...or whatever...

Thanks in advance for the consideration...

 

Here's one that requires no registration and generates results in about a minute, even with my outdated computer.

https://www.craiyon.com/

 

How about an AI-generated art thread on the HAMB? How about an AI-generated HAMB?

 

Thank you...Ryan is using Midjourney. His results have been incredible despite the negatives. the link below was a prompt not very long and it produced a pretty awesome result...

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/zeltango.1303529/page-4#post-15022343

 

I say a big no to that. I think you must be careful what you wish for really...I have shared many negatives about the technology as I am an Artist that's becoming quickly nothing in more ways than one.

 

It appears that you and the HAMB are on a very similar vibe, so welcome and good to have you join in on the fun.

If I saw a thread saying something like "Watch me build a vintage vibe hotrod using parts I have laying around including a late 40's Ford pickup hood and tractor parts"...I'd be all in to follow it. But after seeing the images you and your AI verbiage are able to create, I must say that I find myself seeking evidence of you banging on sheet metal with a hammer and dolly. And, I need to be able to see and count the number of fingers you have holding on to the hammer and dolly...and maybe even holding a copy of today's paper (but I'm even not sure that would provide assurance that what I'm looking at is real!).

All very interesting...I'm going back to banging on sheet metal, for real!

 

sgtlethargic: How about an AI-generated art thread on the HAMB?

@Stogy: I say a big no to that.

Madge the Manicurist: You're soaking in it.

 

...I get what your saying now......It Tiss indeed That...I tried that generator you mentioned and I ain't getting nothing close to this stuff.

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/roadster-project-update.607884/

...Zelt was a prior member here and is back under a new handle with his old build...

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Good sleuthing Stogy. Kapner Speed Shop - guess that’s real?

 

Brer...after this Thread I don't know what's real anymore...but it's interesting...

 

Maybe there is a way to get my 67 Nova on the HAMB!
What you say @Moriarity

 

I tried the link to the AI generator that @sgtlethargic posted, suffice it to say, its pretty slow, but its comical in regards to what it think's you want !
And it was for free with out any obligation such as a monthly fee.

In regards to whats real and whats not real, as far as what we post going forward, these pictures you see here are real, because I took them with my cell phone.

The metal piece was bought at a swap-meet for $2.00, I have no idea of what it was a part of originally.

Those are actually my fingers you see in second and third photo's.

The fourth photo is what I did through the very basic photo editor that my computer has as a built in edit program, very basic and very primitive, but it was my attempt at replicating the infamous
"HAL 9000" from the movie "2001" solely for the purpose of making interesting Avatars.

I wound up giving it to a friend that does very cool steam punk sculpture.

So I get what @Stogy was referring to, from now on, we wont know what is real and whats not real.
Your results may vary !

 

No doubt creative people in each era used the tools available, but the advances in AI will eliminate a lot of jobs they did.

I have had my art dismissed because I did it with digital tools on a computer - the tools used in graphic design for about 40 years. But being able to write a description is a whole lot different than spending hours painting it. I fear the loss will be the the skills and satisfaction from creating it yourself whether it is music, writing, art or even metal working. When the machines do all the work what will humans do?

 

I don't understand all the hand wringing about "what humans will do". They will continue to do what they have always done. If an industry disappears and it holds interest it will continue as a hobby. I bet there are more people forging knives and swords etc than ever before, way more people using things like English wheels than ever before, musical instrument sales have been on a steady increase since 2009. People don't stop doing creative things because a machine can also do it. In fact they often rebel against it and make it more popular to do. You might not be able to make a career out of some of the things any more but there are thousands upon thousands of jobs that have disappeared through the centuries due to technology yet somehow we still go on.

How many industries (many that would be considered crafts) essentially disappeared due to the invention of the thing we celebrate here everyday the automobile. I don't see too many people wishing it had never been invented so all those people were able to continue on with their craft.

 

I like Stefan’s approach to drawing. Was following him for a while, but not lately, wonder what his take would be on AI inspired renderings?

 

As far as the “hand wringing”, maybe my concerns come from 40 years employment in creative fields that are being overtaken by AI. It is easy to be dismissive if technological doesn’t replace your job. Luckily, I am long since retired so it doesn’t effect my income now.

There will be many occupations affected by AI and that is much different than forging knives or other hobby interests.

As far as English wheels; it seem one-off pieces will be within in the AI capabilities.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CybmXQsRmx2/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

 

My God, if you guys had lost the war....

 

You completely missed my point. Jobs and occupations have been replaced by technology for hundreds of years but people still have jobs. How many occupations were affected when the car was invented? Do we bemoan that as a great tragedy?

 

Aha! I've been waiting for AI to hit the HAMB. I've been snorting that stuff nonstop for 12 months now (yes, it's a going to be a problem for people who crave dopamine!)
I wrote a whole long post, then decided it was too wordy and indulgent.
AI. It's a thing. The Great Regurgitator. It's happening. It's going to disrupt a lot of stuff.
I think AI is only as bad as we can be....so we're screwed!

Here's that concept car from earlier in the thread, "rendered" with Stable Diffusion AI. The prompt is a cocktail of text guidance, the original sketch, a crudely hand-Photoshopped version of the sketch with some basic material divisions indicated (like paint, chrome, and tires), and a guidance image stolen from Fitz & Van (for style)...but it still wants to hallucinate weird body panels, missing headlights, fragments of people, etc etc.

 

I'm an Artist, not working as one career wise and don't have really much notoriety at all...some have purchased my work and probably still cherish it as I do too...

@Spex84, you may be one as well...What you've done there is as many works generated in merely minutes previous in this Thread is Incredibly stunning and only applied to Vintage Car design...imagine, ones thoughts are limitless and the databank is constantly scooping the endless wave of data available by just searching every crevice you can find out there...Maybe thats a new job for artist's just search and right clic save images for the program to spin...

I don't have much more time here on the big ball so it is what it is and they (The AI Program Companies) have found a way of sending a huge amount of Artists packing in my opinion and just like the merger of two behemoth Aircraft Companies sent me looking for employment elsewhere they will have to find a way to be an Artist in an altered landscape of Graphic Art opportunity or change careers completely. I feel for them but, yes, I have encountered this in my employment over the years.

The milk has been spilt so to speak...beautiful but sour milk...

...and to those who say get over it they are not the Artists that may be sent packing...so I think its fair under this Thread to discuss it after all if you've spent years in Art School to execute Art in all it's many mediums it's kind of jaw dropping to see whats before our eyes here...in merely minutes with the only skill literacy, a keyboard and a mouse...

I will say even before this newfangled AI there was Computer programs that sent many Artists packing over the years bigtime...Look at the Photo shop Thread...many talented graphic Artists spend hours pumping out rendering after rendering for a smile and I do too but if you are a Graphic Artist you have to find another avenue for the bacon...even Printing Companies offer Graphic Art Services that are DIY today who needs me to design a logo at cost really when you can pic a generic one for nothing...

So yes I can Always pick up a pencil or a paint brush and put it to paper but making a living doing that is getting more difficult not that it wasn't already a challenge...

This is a Great Thread and I find it to be unpredictably exciting...and driven by thought and a typed or spoken words then generated in merely minutes to a breathtaking Image never seen before...or has it...wow...

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This topic got some real legs. Or maybe teeth? The fact is nobody wants it to replace things. As an added weapon in the arsenal of design and study it's not a bad thing. Sometimes we get in a rut, something has to crack the walnut shell of stubbornness or open the mental block that inhibits our efforts. I wash grains off all the time. I also have to take a picture of what I'm doing and walk away. I can only see brush marks and slop even though I know better. If I look at it after, in a picture on my phone, my perceptions adjust and I can make it "fall out of the brush" as I like to call it. I actually trying to replicate a natural process of growth over a piece of steel. Will AI ever understand that? Maybe but not yet.

And BTW, that's a pretty faithful rendition of my print. It missed a few things like the overhead console and wrap around bumper, but sure looks nice. Sorry @Ryan it came out better than yours.

 

You do that woodgraining so well to the dash among other things, skill and an art by hand...I always say we are Artists of many things...deep thoughts from you and many...hard to follow and decipher them but I get what most are saying...

I've often thought if stuff I post is real or manipulated...it was already that good before this Thread...

 

I think it's kinda funny to see the HAMB, which in many ways is a rejection of modernity, accept AI generated artwork so readily.

Aside from the abject soullessness of AI art, there is the ethical question. AI image models work by stitching together images they've "learned" on into something cohesive according to prompt keywords. This means that the output image is a chimera of other people's artwork. So far only one model trains on images sourced with permission, and that gives it a pretty small data pool - the rest are farmed without artists' permission, including from preview images on paid art websites (which is why watermarks often appear in images created by AI models).

This might not seem like such a big deal until you realize AI artwork is being treated as an artistic medium by people who don't really understand how it works and even now is already being sold to make a profit. It may take some practice to get the AI to generate a coherent image, but there's a catch. For an image to be more coherent, the AI generative aspect is toned down and more original imagery is used (shapes, lines, colors from human-created works like photographs or paintings). Often AI-generated artwork is almost exactly the same as an image it "learned" from with only minor tweaks like color.

In effect it is literally stealing from human artists, not just potentially replacing them.

But the real horror of it to me is that, yes, this technology is being created to replace humans. Artistic media was long thought of as safe from automation and machine replacement even as jobs for humans are becoming harder and harder to find. Corporations are taking every avenue to avoid paying a human being while still maximizing their output. This AI generated art is fun to play with at the consumer level, but it is quickly becoming another means by which the same corporations that are polluting our economy with the other consumerist bullshit we all hate can put human beings out of work while continuing to extract value from consumers.

I'm not saying don't play with the toys, they've already been created, the cat's out of the bag, boycotting it won't stop the economic impact it's going to have on artists. But keep in mind what this technology really is and what it's really for before you pay money to interact with AI art tools, or purchase artwork created with AI.

Static artwork has already nearly been perfected by some models. Video is catching up. Chat models can already create simple functional programs based on your instructions. AI-generated voices based on the input of recordings of real people can already almost perfectly duplicate real human speech and even song. Music is next. In the near future, a corporation will be able to simply instruct a computer to create a movie, song, or product with almost no human involvement in the process, then bring that product to market in days or weeks instead of months or years, while fewer and fewer people will be getting paid for labor. Even the manual labor end of distribution is being automated with warehouses staffed with robots and trucks becoming autonomous. We are approaching a major economic reckoning. All this technology is fascinating, but our economy is not ready for it. The future could get really rough.

 

https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/zeltango.1303529/page-2#post-15021918

@Highlander......I also now remember you sharing that very impressive Automotive Sketch earlier and I see as you noted it's been involved with that work Spex did...astonishing really...

That sketch you shared would look good framed on the wall next to the design rooms AI art department rendering...

 

@Beanscoot That is what happens when you have M.C. Escher design a car!
We have all experienced a job where we questioned the team of designers' thought process.
The drain plug that spews on a cross member, the part that uses 3 or more different sized fasteners to remove, the buried bolt holding an exposed part, the specialized fastener that is used instead of the common one for no discernible reason. I fear that AI would make this worse, like the car shown.
I'd be happy when a cheap common robot in the corner of the shop could be wheeled over and remove any broken bolt in any location, but we know that isn't going to happen because the programming and sensors would have to be so robust that it would have already replaced all the common R&R jobs long before the difficult task. It would end up being the only job left to the human.