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Technical PS Hose Clamp

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by gatz, Jun 20, 2024.

  1. gatz
    Joined: Jun 2, 2011
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    Does anyone have a recommendation for a PS pressure line hose clamp?
    This is for a off-topic application, but is a General Motors pump with a banjo outlet fitting at the rear. The fitting would work if the hose can be firmly attached.
    I've been to about 10 local places hoping that someone could crimp a ferrule onto the existing fitting and hose; either they don't want to do it for liability issues or do not have the ferrules & crimping machine to do it. Even tried a place in Omaha.
    Some have suggested using AN fittings and SS braided hose. I think Speedway might have a "kit" to make the part needed; but it would be better if I can use the existing line and banjo fitting as space is very limited. The banjo fitting has the steel tubing part bent at an angle and the 1/2-20 male fitting that goes into the steering valve is also bent at about 30º
    I see Mikalor Supra clamps in the range I'd need. Are they suitable for pressure lines?
    What about Gates' thermoplastic PowerGrip heat-shrink clamp?
    gatz
     
  2. JohnLewis
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    I use S.U.R.R for alot of line repair.
    Home Page - SUR&R (surrauto.com)
    Or if you have a parker store close i've had them make custom lines.
    Home (parkerstore.com)
    You might also check, certain oreillys, napa, etc. (some) Make custom hydraulic/pressure lines. Usually outward based farm land stores or main distribution and hub stores.
    Any type of trucking repair, around here its Love's. Can typically make crimped, compression lines.
     
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  3. Jim Bouchard
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    I’ll add a X2 on the farm/tractor shop and truck repair shops.
     
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  4. dalesnyder
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    Have you considered tig welding a hydraulic flare fitting on the ends of the tubing,
    Then you can just use premade hydraulic hose with normal swivel ends.
     
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  5. 05snopro440
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    Don't expect to find a hose clamp that holds 1,000 or 1,500 PSI. You need a proper hydraulic hose connection.
     
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  6. TA DAD
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    There are at least a half dozen hydraulic repair shops in Lincoln Nebraska , that is where you are correct. Google is your friend.
     
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  7. notaford1
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    I use these all the time. Just make the ends up you need and tighten Farrell fitting and done. They come in about three different lengths I think IMG_3060.png
     
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  8. JohnLewis
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  9. ekimneirbo
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    Can you post a picture of what you have and what you are trying to do? I don't recall ever seeing a banjo fitting used with a power steering pressure hose, and have some doubts that it would work. I recently went thru the same experience and found that the Parker Stores can't help. From what I found, it seemed that the Weatherhead brand was what was needed and most places don't stock them anymore. Some tractor supply and Napa stores may still have the Weatherhead but ofte they don't have the ferrules in the right size. What I finally did was purchase a readymade power steering hose on line. Ebay will show you pictures of what you are buying. I looked for one that had the correct fitting for the power steering pump. They changed to metric so you have to buy for a vehicle that was "before" or "after' a certain year to get metric or standard.
    Next I looked for one that not only had the correct fitting, but had a long tube at the opposite end. Best if its straight for a distance after it comes out of the rubber/crimp section of hose. They will have bends and turns. I cut the tube off with as much length as I could. If you are careful, you can unbend some of the bends. Then I put the fitting I needed back on the tube and flared the tube to fit the master cylinder. If you have the correct flaring tool for your fitting, this works, and the hoses are really cheap on line.

    Here is some info on fittings that also may help you adapt.
    Fittings Power Steering 1 001.jpg

    I flared mine to the "Male O Ring" style to fit a Hydroboost master cylinder.

    Fittings Power Steering 2 001.jpg

    Power Steering Adapter 1 001.jpg Perfect Power Steering 2 001.jpg

    Also, depending on what you are trying to do, sometimes you need to adjust pump pressure downward to make the steering less sensitive.
     
  10. gatz
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    The banjo fitting stem is 0.39 dia, and the hose is 0.77 dia when pushed onto the stem.
    The threaded fitting is 1/2-20
    PS pressure line from pump (banjo) to Jag steering box.jpg

    Some of the places that I've taken the hose & fitting(s) to in Lincoln.
    Speedway
    Kriha Fluid Power
    Dakota Fluid Power
    Kelly Supply
    AutoZone
    Inland Truck Parts and Service
    Central States Hydraulic Service

    and Jones Automotive in Omaha

    I've yet to see if Granger, O'Reilly, or NAPA might be able to do this.
    I sent an inquiry to Turn One, Inc asking if they can do it.
    There's also Good Life Hydraulics in Omaha, but their main gist is Mobile applications.
     
  11. uncle buck
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    I made up one of these this morning. Gates fitting # G25510-0606 was the fitting number I believe.
     
  12. You can get fittings that have a JIC fitting at one end (both pump and box end), measure the hose length and go to a hydraulic shop and have a hose made.

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  13. gatz
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    After more fruitless inquiries for shops or businesses that might be able to do this, I took it upon myself to make a 6- sided crimper and ferrule to finish this assembly.

    Made a ferrule or sleeve out of A513 steel and flared the end slightly using a 7/8 ball.
    The material was chosen because it was relatively soft and hopefully wouldn't crack when crimped.

    Hose to Crimp_2.jpg

    No turning was done on the OD, the ID was bored to 0.750
    With quite a bit of force, the hose, fitting and ferrule were pushed together before crimping.

    6-sided crimper Crimper.jpg

    Hose end with ferrule before crimp, top view Hose in Crimper_1.jpg

    ...bottom view Hose in Crimper_2.jpg

    crimped Crimped Hose_1.jpg

    crimped, close-up view Crimped Hose_2.jpg

    The reason it looks so rough is because the A513 material was a common sch 160 pipe fitting, and as mentioned above; no turning was done to the OD.
     
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  14. RodStRace
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    Great job! I'd guess the concern from the shops is used or unknown age hose. That looks like a lot of effort. I'd suggest making a spare and keeping it with the car since it was such a fight to get this one done. You've got the tool now.
     

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