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  1. topher5150
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    No worries these were the practice pieces.
     
  2. I've found those inexpensive manual flaring kits to be pretty much useless, particularly in the 3/16 and 1/4 inch sizes. But stepping up to a quality Imperial Eastman or Ridgid double flare kit will be well over a $100 and can still be tricky to use. The Be Cool hydraulic units aren't cheap, but are as close to fool-proof as you can get when used according to the directions.
     
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  3. RICH B
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    Bought this used back in '72 when I got a job at a truck shop. Never had a problem flaring 3/16 - 3/8 tubes over the years. USA made quality stuff from olden times.


    From the pictures you posted I think your first step is getting a good flare tool, then a couple practice flares and you should be good to go.

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    Years ago I got a heck of a deal on a Mastercool. The guy had it on EBay with no shipping as I was going near there in a week, about 250 mi away, I bid and got it for the opening bid.
     
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    I had the same kind you have for many years, in fact it was my fathers and quite old. It was good enough for single flair fuel lines but when attempting brakes it was not sufficient and was chucked across the yard at the trash cans out of frustration. I then on only bought pre-made lengths. I just recently got the Lisle tool and a length of the copper nickle line to do my '40 as I did not want the joggs I had to do to take up the extra line when the pre-flaired stuff was not the exact right length. Nice thing about a good tool is you have it forever and in the end costs very little compared to buying the pre-made lines at the parts store. I also splurged and got the line straightener tool too as I know I have at least two more builds(wife's wagon and one more for me) in me.
     
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    It can do both the single flair which is really only good for low pressure like fuel and the double which is the same as inverted flair (or "SAE flair" all three terms are just another way to say the same thing) that will be what you need for brakes and similar high pressure lines. The other style is "bubble" or DIN used mostly on euro cars like BMW and needs a different tool.
     
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  10. RICH B
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    Step carefully.
    I don't usually pay attention to the reviews; but there are an awful lot of them which mention that the tool doesn't hold the line and it slips and is not upset properly in the first step which makes the second step fail too. Don't understand 5 star reviews that say it's a good tool; but won't make good flares.
     
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    I have a hard time with online reviews. How is there something that so many people like, but there's always a very small group that absolutely hates it. Everyone on youtube seems to love it
     
  12. I use an older Hastings flaring kit. Through the years, I've found that not keeping the yoke perpendicular to the clamp bars, but turning it so that it's sides touch the bar, helps keep the it straight to the tubing. I've also, used a c-clamp on the clamping bars, when using the middle holes, to prevent the tubing from sliding down, while forming the flares.
     
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    So my brake flare tool showed up today. Kind of hard to get a good pic.
    What does the peanut gallery think?
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    Hard to tell by the pictures but if I seeing correctly I'd flare it a bit more so that it sat better in the nut
     
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    That's not right!
     
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    Need to use more pressure on first forming, rollover looked good.
     
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    I was making a 3/8" line for a buddy and thought I would grab a piece of 1/4" and make a couple samples while I had the tools out. Maybe will show how the flares should look. First step upset end. Finish flare. Finished flare with tube nut.

    From the pics you posted, I still feel you have a tool problem.
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    I always have a piece of factory flared line around, so I know what a good flare looks like.
     
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    Buy a piece of brake tubing already flared so you can see what the flares are supposed to look like
     
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    Sidequest today working on the mustang gas tank again. Making a frame going to raise the floor a bit. Going to expand the hole by the seats to make a trap service door.
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    Lookin good
     
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    She bugged me and bugged me about what I want for my birthday and our anniversary. I found a set of lake pipes, with a pair of thrush mufflers, and the mounting hardware for the price of the pipes on marketplace. I'm going to make some flanges and cutouts at work
    .....I know the tires are junk, that'll be my next marketplace purchase.
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    OK what am I doing wrong??? I have the + wire running to the solenoid as well as the push ****on and from the solenoid to the starter, I have the - wire running from the block to the battery and all I get is a clunk from the solenoid. The solenoid is new, the battery is brand spanking new and the starter is a year or two old but new.
     
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    Making some progress this summer
    -got the gas tank in place and plumed
    -the front and rear brake lines are flared and in place
    -and most important of all I got the engine to fire up
     
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    finally got it running on its own
     
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    NICE!!!!
    That’s always a good feeling
    Little steps….
     
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    I put a new dizzy in surprised I didn't have to monkey with the timing
     
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