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Folks Of Interest 348/409 Waterpump to Flathead Kit/The Beginning

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by krylon32, Aug 26, 2024.

  1. krylon32
    Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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    krylon32
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    from Nebraska
    1. Central Nebraska H.A.M.B.

    I've had a few PM's over the years with varying opinions about the kit from good idea to blasphemy. In the 90's I built a couple of the 33/34 club cab pickups and a T bucket for Speedway. One day in Speedy Bill's office we were discussing my T5 kit (that was long before they had theirs) and Bill said have you ever thought about a 348/409 water pump on a flathead? He then told me the story of a Flathead powered 40 coupe he was roundy round racing in the late 80's.He said he had immediately spotted the possibility of replacing his leaky unreliable FH pumps with the 348 pump and proceed to make some flat plate adapters with biscuit mounts to bolt the Chevy pump on the FH. I think he used a 40 bottom hub and spaced things to run Chevy short pump pulleys with a belt rolled on them with no generator. I went back to the shop and within a week had the patterns with a mock up block at Mike Voog's machine shop in Lincoln where in his spare time he developed a CNC program for the plates and lower hub. There's been a couple revisions over the years but they were minor. Mike also developed the CNC milled timing cover and several other products for me. (Thanks Mike) Next I made steel patterns of the alt & alt/air brackets and had Alan Grove prototype them and put them in production. I surely appreciate the help of some good friends.
     
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  2. 19Fordy
    Joined: May 17, 2003
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    Thank you "Krylon32" for making your innovative ideas and those of your team a reality for hot rodders.
    Thise were good days.
     
  3. BJR
    Joined: Mar 11, 2005
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    BJR
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    How about a picture or two of the pump mounted on an engine?
     
  4. Fogger
    Joined: Aug 18, 2007
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    Fogger
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    He refuses to post pictures or have a friend post for him. Too bad because he's built some great cars!!!
     
  5. krylon32
    Joined: Jan 29, 2006
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    krylon32
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    from Nebraska
    1. Central Nebraska H.A.M.B.

    Any time your going by stop in and spend the day sharing your knowledge on sending pictures. Others have been here and they couldn't get the job done. If your successful I'll fix you a nice Nebraska Rib Eye, share a couple beers, Put you up for the night. Also I have nobody close to help, I'm in the heart of flyover country
     
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  6. lostn51
    Joined: Jan 24, 2008
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    from Tennessee

    That’s a beautiful setup!
     
  7. krylon32
    Joined: Jan 29, 2006
    Posts: 9,863

    krylon32
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    from Nebraska
    1. Central Nebraska H.A.M.B.

    I see the picture of the 409 pump setup in a chassis has been deleted?
     
  8. Moriarity
    Joined: Apr 11, 2001
    Posts: 33,594

    Moriarity
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    yup, billet pulleys and serpentine belts have no place on a traditional hot rod forum
     
  9. Ratspit
    Joined: Dec 6, 2017
    Posts: 300

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    Here are a few pictures of Gary's kit. I plan to soften the edges and blast the parts to give them a cast look. Might even paint a few pieces. 409kit1.jpg 409kit2.jpg 409kit4.jpg
     
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  10. 19Fordy
    Joined: May 17, 2003
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    19Fordy
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    Would Krylon32's photos of his entire installed 409 water pump set up be allowed on HAMB if it were cast iron components using regular traditional V-belts? What is the definition of a traditional hot rod? My first hot rod in 1963 was a 40 Ford with a 265 Chevy in it. That was the new "traditional hot rod" as times were changing and flatheads were cooling off on the back burner in favor of overheads. Here's how a Google search defines a traditional hot rod.
    "A traditional hot rod is a car built following styles popular in the 1940s, '50s, and '60s, using parts from those times or parts that resemble them. Key identifiers include flathead engines, solid front axles, early-style paint colors and graphics, pleated upholstery, and skinny bias-ply tires1. These hot rods are primarily pre-World War II coupes, roadsters, 2-door sedans, and trucks that have undergone alterations to their suspension, frames, engines, and transmissions."
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2024
  11. Ebbsspeed
    Joined: Nov 11, 2005
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    I drive through that "flyover country" occasionally. Send me a PM on where you're at and I'll see if it's on my next route. I'm pretty good at getting photos uploaded.

    20220505_172026.jpg
     
  12. That’s gorgeous!!
    I seem to recall years ago a HAMBer who made something similar from welded steel. Functional but not nearly the eye appeal.
     

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