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Technical The Thread all about remote oil filtration - and oil coolers @ the filter

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by nobby, Jan 19, 2025.

  1. nobby
    Joined: Jan 8, 2006
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    nobby
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    What are the options
    what is available stock
    what thread sizes and pitches swap from differing manufacturers
    is a combined oil cooler at the filter a relatively modern thing? 80's?
    its just another one for the sbc it having a downwards pointing oil filter.....
    so IF you do happen to have a motor with an oil filter sticking out of the block sideways and someting being in the way, what do you do
    firstly are the diameters of the rubber rings different?
    if the thing already has a take off stock and thats the reason it hits, hmm
     
  2. Tow Truck Tom
    Joined: Jul 3, 2018
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    Tow Truck Tom
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    from Clayton DE

    Check in with the supply warehouses. Opinions range, but,,,
    Ask Summit or Speedway. Try to get confirmation on made in USA
     
  3. Mike VV
    Joined: Sep 28, 2010
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    Mike VV
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    from SoCal

    Depends, depends, depends !!!

    Just depends on parts you have on hand, depends on what you buy, etc.

    Most all radiators (coolers!) have the same thread at the in and outlet as all other radiators. Some have just a push-on nipple, that doesn't need a mechanical fitting.
    Depends on the fitting that you have on the engine / transmission. You can put various sized fittings in both places, just depends on what YOU buy ! Other than the radiator, the size's depend on...you.

    Mike
     
  4. nobby
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    nobby
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    the common or garden thread on an oil filter is
    3/4 unf
    the shallowest oil filter that is 76mm or 3 inch
    used the be the renault 5 at 57mm
    now been beaten by the bmw i3 at 51mm - -a battery car i think ? with a oil cooler for someting?
    these are used in kit cars and the like where clearance is an issue......
    i just wonder how deleting the oil cooler will effect the motor....
     
  5. Kosmos55
    Joined: Feb 23, 2022
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    I have a ‘00 Chevrolet 4.3l from a s10 zr2 sitting in my garage with the factory remote oil filter system.
    That might be all I am allowed to say here.
    Let me know if I should pm some pictures.
     
  6. jnaki
    Joined: Jan 1, 2015
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    jnaki

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    Hello,
    When I think back to 1961 and our surfing expeditions, we usually did not have to worry about oil filters or placement thereof. As far as trans oil coolers, the VW vans had heating problems, but were solved with side scoops leading into the motor compartments. All of our surf transportation cars, vans and station wagons were usually overloaded with surfers, heavy longboards and enough food for a weeks worth of dinners. But, we managed without remote oil filters or oil coolers.


    The one thing a friend of ours did was to get a job as a Frantz Oil Filter salesman. He figured out he could get a new Ford Econoline Van plus become a remote oil filter system sales guy while actively surfing all up and down the coast + into Baja Mexico. It was his dream job that allowed him to be the first guy to drive a new van and not a 10 year old VW van or a 1940 Flathead powered Ford Sedan Delivery.

    We never had oil filter problems although, years later, people who towed trailers were overheating on the side of the roads and were in the market for oil coolers.

    Then the whole remote oil cooler radiator came into play. They were put all over the place for efficiency. Out in front of the normal radiator, under the radiator and along the side where possible and some were remotely in the rear areas that offered air flow to the radiators. Yes, long lines to the motor were part of remote filters, oil and oil coolers.

    Unless one is towing an extra heavy load with an underpowered tow vehicle, then there was no need to have an oil cooler. A 63.5 Ford hardtop easily pulled a heavy 18 foot Ford powered inboard speed boat, plus a dual tire, long trailer for hundreds of miles on our water ski trips, never called for an oil cooler.

    But, people that towed heavy trailers for vacations going up hill in an underpowered family car overloaded with folks and luggage added to the mishaps of overheating. So, who wouldn’t want an oil cooler. At the time, wiser heads prevailed and the coolers were not necessary if the tow car was capable of towing a heavy load. It was not the 58 Buick sedan loaded with a full family + luggage towing a 25 foot trailer loaded with the goodies uphill on the So Cal Grapevine Highway or the Tioga Pass Highway getting to Yosemite as an everyday thing.


    So, an additional oil cooler probably is not necessary. But a remote filter placement probably is not necessary, either. The tight fit area is not the easiest to always go in and work on something. The remote filter would be handy, but not needed.

    Jnaki


    Here are a couple of old early posts on the Frantz Oil Filters.

    The installation on the display Econoline Van that my friend owned was pretty nice. He was all setup for his display during the surf session breaks, lunch, afternoon blow outs, etc. Whenever we all got out of the water at Huntington Beach, Seal Beach, San Clemente, Oceanside Harbor and Piers, he immediately set up his display of Frantz Oil Filter stuff. His motor compartment was opened and his engine compartment was immaculate. This guy knew how to showcase his stuff.

    In talking with him back in those days, it was a job he could have to go all over So Cal and make money surfing/selling his Frantz products. Actually, the job was perfect for his lifestyle, but he was on commission, not a weekly salary, so he got paid as soon as he sold the products.
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    They are still in business and it is up to the owners of said vans, station wagons and cars to see if an additional oil filter or remote trans oil cooler is necessary. For most, the stock oil system is just fine.YRMV
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  7. George
    Joined: Jan 1, 2005
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    George
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    Also depends on what engine. lots of that style oil coolers were used on O/T Crown Vic Police Interceptors. Should work on most Ford & Mopars and should be plenty in junkyards,
     
  8. '29 Gizmo
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    '29 Gizmo
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    from UK

    Oil cooler depends on the application. It can be the last line of defence of an overheating motor as the oil carries a lot of heat from pistons etc. If you are not sure if you need one then monitor the oil temp in the pan.

    In the context of HAMB era cars it probably more appropriate to talk about no filter vs bypass filter vs full flow filter.
     
    Last edited: Jan 20, 2025
  9. nobby
    Joined: Jan 8, 2006
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    nobby
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    Screenshot 2025-01-19 192403.png
    so originally the filter comes out of the block this dont work as the later heads put the header there so the filter needs dropping out of the way
    where the filter is it hits the wishbone
    where that header flange is - it hits the steering box
    Screenshot 2025-01-20 185808.png
    need to make a header similar to this




    IMG_20250122_133522[1].jpg
    little filter its only 2 inches deep 3'' round
    P7251
    F026407251
    it being 3/4 unf = confirmed with threaded adaptor

    cannot run engine without a filter.
    more modern stuff in metric m18 or m20
    fyi you can get a m18 to 3/4'' unf adaptor from the kit car places

    anyways, it maybe worth looking at a 'ON' filter' oil cooler set up it you are wanting to ad a filter and cooler to a flathead maybe.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2025
  10. George
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    Wix makes a really short filter, maybe shorter than that, for the Renault R-10 (1970?).
     
  11. nobby
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    nobby
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    yes, renaul t oil filters are were the goto, they are 5mm longer
     

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