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  6. I don't get it. Why is there no detail in this pic. I,m sure it was made by a profesional magazine fotographer.
     
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    Jim Nelson’s coupe, he worked at Master’s Auto Supply and eventually teamed up with Dode Martin starting Dragmaster.
     
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    Hello,

    It is a shame to use the AI version of a fabulous original photo of one of the coolest modified roadsters from So Cal. The computer has no boundaries as it did/does not know what is what. The blob of a photo is a disgrace to such a nice build from a couple of So Cal brothers. How is that AI derived photo getting past the moderators? Shoot, I would volunteer to be a moderator with the specific job of deleting all AI driven photos and fake photos as have been posted. if one has nothing else to do but to copy photos from the internet or create an AI photo, there needs to be the opposite job of getting rid of those, too.

    The Red Roadster has been featured in many old magazines and posted several times in the HAMB. We old folks who were there, back then see a “wrong” in doing this technology ruining the actual build of such a roadster or any of the photos inserted as HAMB history.
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    Jnaki


    Here are some files from the original posting of the Cedarquist Brothers roadster:
    From the files of @296ardun

    "Not many cars took the Junior Eliminator spot from M&S...Jeep Hampshire was driving, here is the story from Jeep: A little later I went out to the "Pond" to watch George Bolthoff drive Bill Martin's 400 Jr. top fuel dragster. The Cedarquist Bros.-Ryan had their AA/FR in competition, but Butch was laboring getting the car down the track. Tim wanted me to make a pass in it just to make sure the car wasn't at fault. I declined, but Tim was so persistent that I finally agreed to make a run on condition that he upped the nitro percentage to 50%. With a more potent mixture in the tank, I whipped that roadster to a personal best of 9.10-179 mph that day. Somewhat emboldened, the brothers impetuously challenged the legendary Mooneyham-Sharp fuel coupe for the No. 1 spot on the Drag News Jr. Eliminator list. I only drove the roadster a few times, but on the night of the big challenge, it was #52 defeating the infamous #554 blue coupe. In round #1, Larry (Faust) was out on me but at about half track the engine detonated with a deafening concussion and I roared past for the win. Gene Mooneyham was unable to repair the carnage so the Cedarquist Bros. walked away with the #1 title."
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    ...and the '29 that Roo referred to...it has been restored, but not to original specs, has a modern roll bar...bottom photo is Jim Miles coupe....they were all members of the Burbank Road Kings at the time
    ...and here is the Cederquist Brothers story, from "Elite Magazine"

    Success On The Drag Strip - Butch Cederquist
    Stephanie Struyck Elgin

    Hot Rod. The term first came about in the 1930’s in southern California, where car fanatics modified and raced their cars. Most of the first hot rods were old cars, and as time progressed, so too did its popularity. Hot rod modification included replacing engines with more powerful ones, wheels and tires were improved for traction and handling and hot rodders took pride in the appearance of their cars as well. Interest in racing grew tremendously and became “the thing to do” post World War II.

    Enter hot rodder and Castaic resident, “Butch” to the scene.

    Born in Jamestown, New York, Donald Cederquist, a.k.a. Butch, made his way to the west coast with his family at the age of 10. “They all call me Butch…my sister gave me the nickname when I was knee high to a grasshopper and it just stuck.”

    Butch and his brother Dave (who sadly passed away last year), entered the racing scene in 1955. Together, the brothers ran the following classes for three years: the C Street Roadster, B Street Roadster and A Street Roadster. While running these classes, the Cederquist Brothers racing team held records at the San Fernando, Pomona, Paradise Mesa, Bakersfield, Colton, Saugus and Inyokern drag strips. “We started racing more and more cars, and got several records as time progressed.”

    In 1958, they started running the B/G Roadster and the A/G Roadster. That same year, Tim Ryan became a partner of the Cederquist Brothers racing team. The team saw success on the drag strip as their A/G Roadster, #52, became the first A/G Roadster to run over 150 miles per hour at the Lions Drag Strip in January of 1962. Number 52, built by Butch and Dave, along with the help Tim, broke track records everywhere and even graced the cover of the November 1960 issue of Hot Rod Magazine.

    Just a few years later, #52 was sold and later recovered by Bill Yager. “When Bill found it, it was a bucket of rust, but he’s had it for the last 40 years, and restored it to its former glory,” states Butch. Bill asked if he could put the Cederquist name as well as the #52 back on the hot rod and Butch happily obliged.

    The significance of the #52? “Everyone asks me that,” states Butch, “but I don’t know why. I like the #25, but there were too many of those, so I just flipped it.”

    Bill, who now lives in Milford, Delaware, shipped the hot rod all the way to southern California and now, some 52 years later…#52 has reunited with Butch, temporarily.


    Also, some other information on the red roadster not formerly published.
    From an old Friday Art Thread:
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    Cedarquist Brothers

    upload_2025-2-3_12-20-51.png painted by Daddy’s Auto Body.
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/friday-art-show-6-5-20.1195961/#post-13614329

    The Cedarquist Brother’s (Don/Dave) red 1929 Ford roadster was in the modified roadster class during the 1958-60 time period of So Cal drag racing. The bored/stroked 400 C.I. Chrysler was powered by a Clay Smith Cam, Jahns Pistons, 6 Strombergs on a Weiand manifold, with ported and polished heads. The hood latches allowed the whole front hood/cowl area to be removed for adjustments. The 25% set back made the modifications mandatory.
    upload_2025-2-3_12-24-50.png Don and Dave Cedarquist’s roadster at San Fernando Dragstrip. B/Roadster record holder in So Cal.

    The Cedarquist Brothers held the B/Modified Roadster record in So Cal for quite some time. Another show quality roadster with power to back up any qualms about “all show no go” appearance.
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    The roadster was painted a Torch Red by Daddy’s Auto Body
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    old Friday Art:
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    As avid hot rod folks, let’s not allow computer generated , AI photos as it ruins the original concept of a cool hot rod/drag race build that the HAMB is based on, pre 65 builds and history. YRMV









     

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  10. Second original pic not enhanced is much better than the first fuzzy pic which has blurry non existant details due to some useless filter or whatever else makes it look lousy. That was the point i tried to make.
     
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    1962 Indy Nationals C/G class winner was Larry Teter in his Chevy powered '32 Ford Vicky. His winning time was 12.61 et @ 108.30 MPH.
     
  12. jnaki
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    upload_2025-2-4_3-57-31.png Torrey Pines State Beach

    Hello,

    We have driven on the modern version of this same Coast Highway from the city of Del Mar in the far upper right area of the photograph down hill as speed to the steady steep climb up the grade to the top of the Torrey Pines coastal cliffs.
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    Traffic heading South to Torrey Pines State Beach and other San Diego area, local surf spots can sometimes by enticing. As one is coming downhill from the city of Del Mar.

    In 1960, I knew my Flathead powered 1940 Ford Sedan Delivery was underpowered when we encountered steep roadways. A third gear cruise turns into a 2nd gear necessity and in some cases of merging traffic, a 1st gear hill climb in the slow lane.

    The Flathead motor was underpowered to say the least. It may have been the extra weight of two/three heavy longboards, plus the necessary items for a weeklong camping adventure on those very long distance road trips (to Santa Barbara coast line)to the San Diego surf spots or down into Baja, Mexico. But, the 80 hp motor just did not have it to go up sloping grades in three specific spots on Coast Highway during our journeys, without having to down shift to 2nd gear and sometimes 1st gear.
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    Torrey Pines + the awful grade going from sea level to the top of the coastal mountain range was a barrier to our underpowered Flathead sedan delivery.
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    No, it was not the slowest car on the flat surface road, and it kept up with the normal flow on highways. But, the first steep hill made us downshift to 2nd gear just to get over the top of the grade and long hillside slope. If there was any traffic, it was the slow lane all the way to the top. If there was too much traffic in any lane, and it was slowing, a first gear selection was necessary to make our journey continue.

    On normal highway surf trips, it ran fine and we enjoyed the things it offered. Free overnight sleeping area, good gas usage and space for two or three of us plus gear.

    Note: We could have used more horsepower over the 80 hp. Even with a higher speed running start downhill on the opposite slope as an incentive. We just knew it was a down shift situation coming up.

    One of our favorite San Diego surfing spots is at the base of the Torrey Pines Coastal Cliffs. Nice waves and great location. But, after our surf sessions, the steep grade was first gear uphill. No left turns across traffic lanes was permissible, even if it was, there was not enough HP to get us across and moving with the traffic. So, it was always a right turn and uphill in first gear. Sometimes with no traffic, we could shift to 2nd, but any curve or turn slowed us down enough to have to shift back to first to make it to the top in the slow lane.

    When we did not stop to surf, we were in a speed run down hill from the opposite canyon outlet sloping road from the city of Del Mar. As we gained speed, it was looking good with an empty lane ahead of us and no surf to the right of us. So, we charged ahead many times. But, at the first sign of any slowdown, it was down shift to 2nd and then at the mercy of the steep slope and moving traffic.
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    The long grade uphill, did make us downshift and the traffic during the midday made us shift to 1st. Then it was a slow climb to the top of the hill in the slow lane.

    Jnaki
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    This view would have been tremendous with the December 2024 huge waves that hit all of the West facing beaches along the California coastline. As other spots showed, a consistent set of waves in the form of definite lines heading for the shoreline.
    During our days as teens homeward bound, heading North along the same highway, tired, hungry and anticipating somewhere along the coast as being called the “afternoon glass-off,” was always the goal. Although we had spent the morning surfing and spending the day hanging around the surf spot or spots in the San Diego area, there were plenty of spots up the coast on the drive home.

    We had spent many days doing the same thing and several times, we had hit the perfect… “afternoon glass-off.” What is an afternoon glass-off? The wind is offshore in the morning, holding up the waves a little longer for great rides. But, by lunch time, most places usually get the prevailing West winds to virtually kill the great waves. Sure, waves still come in but the fun is gone. Bumpy, inconsistent and not good for the psyche.

    So, sometimes, the afternoon winds die down and now, the waves heading toward shore are absolute “glassy surfaces.” Waiting for the waves, one is sitting on a mirror surface. The waves that come in are so slick the setting sun makes visions of reflections possible.

    Also, most of the surfers, if not all, have gone home and the empty, glassy waves were calling our names… Perfection rides until it got too dark to see. Sunsets galore enhance the whole moment of the “afternoon glass offs” as the defining moment for the surf trip(s)…

    Note 2 :

    As we first encounter PCH going South, it was a simple 3rd gear cruise with the sight of the ocean and surf spots. But, on the way home, as we passed the entrance to the State Beach to the left, we would encounter the long sloping grade back into the city of Del Mar to the Northern direction. See photo above.

    The 80 hp Flathead motor with everything we had inside just did not have enough to power up those steep sloping roadway grades in 3rd gear with ease. But we adjusted and moved forward. YRMV
    upload_2025-2-4_4-2-34.png Sometimes, I wished this version was available for our long So Cal coastal surf trips… more power!!! Yikes!



     
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    With one of the Coolest pit trucks ever .I've always wondered about that shot, Thanks for the reference .
     
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    This old photo was the inspiration for the drawing and researching some historic facts.
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    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/3-11-22-friday-art-show.1258448/#post-14413978

    Hello,

    The Burkholder Brothers have a very long history in the California drag racing scene. Their original coupe information, was given to me by Harry Burkholder.
    upload_2025-2-5_2-51-49.png old Friday Art, my version...
    Here is some information from those old posts:
    upload_2025-2-5_2-52-16.png So, no one forgets, a long time before the Burkholder Brothers Fiat Coupe we have all seen in the photos everywhere, are the only remnants of history, here is something a little earlier.
    upload_2025-2-5_2-53-19.png 1959 Harry Burkholder
    1958-59 to the Kingdon March Meet, 63 years ago. Brothers, Pete and Harry Burkholder, along with friend, Joe Radan made up the P B J Racing Team. (B was Harry’s nickname: Burk)

    Early drag racing coupes? A big 671 sitting on an Oldsmobile motor makes some noise. A Red, Ford 5 window with some attitude… what is not to like?
    upload_2025-2-5_2-54-37.png And... early scallops to boot!

    @Speed Gems said:
    That's the first time I've seen it with the pink scallops. It usually has a '55 Chevy push truck behind it or with the roof bashed in I think @jnaki Did some artwork of it.
    upload_2025-2-5_2-56-51.png Wow, thank you…someone actually looks at my funky drawings… YES! I did a similar drawing based on what they did for color. The yellow flames looked better on my artistic discretion. After all, that is what art is, “through the eyes of the beholder…” But, I had it in the same folder if I decided to use it later in another thread. So, this is a good time to do so… YRMV

    The film and photos were sent to me from Harry Burkholder. The rest was a long search for information. Good old High School English class "learning to research" refining technique in college, pays off again.

    Jnaki

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    This Altered Coupe was the first try at racing in the Altered Coupe/Sedan Class for a group of young guys from Northern California. Starting in 1958 through the 1959 season.

    Follow the history of the Burkholder Brothers in So Cal drag racing circles over the years, up to today. It is amazing that they are still involved in one way or another. Yea…Harry!

    upload_2025-2-5_3-3-9.png Nitro Revival photo by Steve Gibbs







     
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