Barney Navarro 27 roadster resoration or construction pics?

Hello

I was looking in the Khougaz thread and started to think about Barney Navarros supercharged 27 model lakester. Has it been featured in any magazines. Preferably during restoration, since I'd like to know how it's built and if i can copy any features from it.

Thanks, Magnus

 

I believe Barney's lakester started out as Wes Cooper's 4 pot Ford, if it isn't it is a ****** close copy!

I hope these scans are of some help.

Cheers
Jimmy

 

I agree Magnus. Would be nice to see more of the old relic.

How is Barney by the way?

Paul

 

Yes , please more photo's ... this has to be one off my favorites !

 

Thanks Jimmy, great pics.

I have never thought about it those cars might being one and the same. I just thought they where very similar. But maybe you are right. There are some differences though, like the front suspension, hood sides, belly pan and steering box placement.

//Magnus

 

Ok, I was wrong. Barney's car has the bead around the doors I never noticed Wes Cooper's had the doors molded and beading removed.

 

Side Shots... Sorta...

 

Barney's car was built in four days in the fall of 1948 with a 32 grill shell.
You will find a pic. in one of Montgomery's books when it was runninng CRA.
The noise was put on the car in the winter of 1949 by Art Ingels who was moonlighting from his job a Kurtis Kraft. He may have made as many as
ten of them? Coopers was only one of the cars; again look thought ****umery's books.

 

From Hot Rod Magazine....


Mutt

 

I have some more on mu puter but found only this one so far.

Can't actually say you've gotten the pics you ask for Magnus. But pics ar nice anyways.
Some more to be found on the AHRF site aswell.


Paul

 

Thank you guys.

All pics and info i much appreciated. Who restored it and when? As far as I know it wasn't Barney himself. Could it have have ended up in some magazine when restored?

Thanks, Magnus

 

I'd love to see you build something similar to Barneys from your 27 project Magnus.
Maybe you should have Zack make you a nose and hood.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138784

I'll kick the tires when it's finished.

Paul

 

Yeah, I love Zachs car. It reminds me a lot of one from some of Montgomerys books. But Zach's lok even better. The proprtions became just right with the shortning of the doors. Same proportions as Bill Niekamps roadster. My hat of to Zach.

My plan for the roadster is to make it look something like The Niekamp roadster but using a 27 T body. Or maybe make it look more like the Don Waite roadster. But the plan is definetley to make it into a late 40's early 50's lakester.

I'll bring the tires to next OSW so you have something to kick. The roadster will not be done for sure. By the way did you notice the rear wheels on the pencil drawing of Barneys car? Stock Ford modified to 18 inch wheels just like I asked about in a different thread. Maybe I have something secret to show you in the near future

//Magnus

 

magnus and paul,
thanks for the compliments

as for this car you want to build
take a look in hop-up annual #4...(i think thats the one...im at work now)
anyways its the one with the article about whitey clayton, on the first page and on another page there is a 27 roadster that he made a nose for and possibly that windsheild...
also isnt regg schelmer's car similar to that design? the one from jan48 hot rod magazine
this would be my plan also with the 27 that i have bundled up in the back of my head.
i think proportionately doing a 27 with that same look, you could take the horizontal distance from the front of the cowl like most of the cars did...but make the hood a little longer then barney's car to get the longer lower profile
i could sit here and type ideas all day but im sure you can do the same
good luck with it, i'll be anxious to see how it comes out
Zach

 

Hi Magnus Nice to hear that you have a new project in the works ! One thing though ...Please have in mind that both Bill Niekamp and mr Navarro is/was not the tallest guys in their town ... With your height , you might have a problem fitting your own car IF you use the cars affore posted as guidelines for how your car will look. Nut sure if you remember Levi Lundrings (RIP) `29 track-nosed roadster .. ? . Levi wanted a car simmilar to the Niekamp-roadster , BUT he was too tall to fit a "blueprint" copy , so Levi , Erik Hansson and Micke Fors agreed on a stretched version to better suit Levis` rather tall corpus
Came out good though ...
See you next year at OSW
Klaz

BTW ... Zach : The `32 Brakepivot aint sendt yet ( health problems takes a bit too much of my time ) , but I will try to get it airborne tomorrow!

 

Here is a pic of the late Levi Lundrings car. (sad story).


I'll be sure to wear my steel-toe boots next summer Magnus. Looking forward to a surprise.
If you're too tall to ride the roadster when it's done, just call. I'm quite short.

Paul

 

ooopss hit the wrong ****on.

Here are the pic. sorry 'bout the size. I **** at making the pics small i kB and yet large in the post like some here do.

Paul

 

Zack

I remember the article on Witey Clayton. Nice read and nice car fer sure.

Paul

 

Whitey Clayton, didn't he make the front for a 27 owned by someone named Osgod or something? the one I'm thinking of has a nose that is wide in the bottom covering the framrails and have 18" dayton wire wheels in the back and 15" in the front shoed with Indy tires. the side profile on that one is the best I have seen, but I'm not that keen on the front. I'm more for the narrow front than the wide type like the Eddie Dye and **** Flint roadsters.

The thing about this Osgod's (?!?) car, Navarross and Cooper's is that all have had the cowl chopped of. That gives great lines but not a good thing when you actually want to have room for your self. I have short legs, but not that short And channeling is totally out of the question. When I sit on the floor as it is now I'm in the right height. A channel would make the seat far to high.

BTW the Schlemmer car is awesome to. And the Lattins have a real nice one in black with red and silver scallops if I remember correctly.

Levi's car is great. I hade the fortune to study it one year at OSW when i made a quick visit. Nice lines and great workmanship as always when Micke Fors and Erik Hansson is involved.

What I really want to know about Barney Navarros car is how the ch***is is setup. The front end is clearly a un-dropped axle mounted suicide style but what about the rear end? And the steering gear?

//Magnus

 

whitey did make the nose on the osgood car but theres one in the article thats more like what i envision you want to build
also...do you have hop-up august 1951? theres an article ***led "to the lakes with barney navarro" something like that
has a bunch of shots of his car from different angles

what if you do this car on a 32 frame shaped to match the outside of the body...then put the seat below the top of the rails and a belly pan flush on the bottom....kinda like the pierson and so-cal coupes i think
essentially moving the floor 6" lower and giving more room for your legs and to set you down inside the car
also I'd think if you chop the cowl like barney's car you could leave a bit of a pocket on the side for the pedals to recess into to help a little bit
have you seen mark morton's bonneville car? it has very nice proportions
Zach

 

heres a shot from don's hot rod page
Zach
http://donshotrodpage.net/Speedweek/pages/XP8120104_JPG.htm

 

Here are some on-topic pix stolen from previous HAMB- Posts ( probably pix by DON )
Klaz

 

Thank you for the input Zach

I'll check for the car you are talking about, sounds very interesting.

Yes I think I have that hop-up with Barney. Great story as I recall.

I have thought about a 32 frame a bit and that would clearly take care of some problems. I'm just looking around for what I like and how to do it. I have some visions clear and others in a total blur. But what I'm after is, as I said, basically the Niekamp roadster but based on a 27 model T. But we'll see where this project will take me... Oh I guess it's me that should take this project somewhere...

I don't think I have seen Mark Morton's car. I'll look for that too.

Thanks, Magnus

 

Thank you Klaz

The Osgood car is so nice, but the front is not my cup of tea. Don Waite is probably the reason why I wanted a 27 in the first place. Damn it's nice.

There is just too many cool ways to build a 27 roadster... And I only have one body.

 

here you go
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60301&highlight=track+nose

and heres some pictures of a nose i built its a 1953 hilleg*** sprint car nose...cant find an insert to finish it up...this was my 1st attempt at a nose though before i did the miller type on my car
i think this style would look perfect on a 27T...its not quite as abrupt at the niekamp nose so it would suite better to the lower cowl height of the 27
Zach

 

geez,
Coopers banger 200 hp twin connecting rods how cool is that?

 

There are an article and some more pics in the Hop Up annual Vol # aswell. A pic with the hood off a**** others.
Let's hope someone on here have something more or knows anyone that has some info.

There are so many nice tracknosed, low T's when you start looking around. I picked a random mag from the shelf and found Hot Rod from Sept 51. A rusetta meet article and a sleek 27T owned by Norman Felt. Nice car. ****py quality pic, but it was blurry in the mag and I used a digi-cam.

You got to make this project happen Magnus. We need a car like that around here.


Paul

 

Wow nice node Zach. A bit like Don waite. That would be great on a 27 for sure.

Paul>> But I need to finish the current project first I think. need to have it registerd and then there is the problem with the roof. Henry seem to made them about 4 inches to tall.

Thanks, Magnus