For sale nearly me for 350. Guy knows nothing about it other than missing cover. What do yall think? I have no use for it other than it would look cool in my shop or for a flip.
Franklins are rugged, but heavy. Big circle track usage. You have no input yoke, no back cover, no change gears, and no axles. Looks like you have a disk brake caliper mounting brackets and hats for rotors. Looks wide for a hotrod, so probably needs to be shortened for that application. But I would certainly spend a couple hundred just to hang it on the wall. Depending on the condition of the ring pinion, you could probably flip it to a circle track guy and make some on it.
Geeze...REALLY you guys ? Gear covers and yokes are cheap (Winters and others). The gears...not so much, but easily available. Aluminum side bells...who cares ? Gaskets, easily available. Brakes, easily available. As long as the "pinion support" in the main case is not broken, it's plenty usable. Mike
You find complete one's from about $600 on up. Pavement car rears with differentials go for much more. That has no axles, yoke, rear cover , gears and the condition of the ring and pinon and all bearings are unknown . It might be 31 spline or the older course spline were axles are not available. Likely a spool but might have a differential. Its likely to wide for a hot rod but if it's 31 spline 9" axles and such can be adapted and then it can ne narrowed . Id want to see the gears pinion support and if the bearings on at least the pinion are OK . PITA if there bad and expensive. It very likely got robbed of parts for a reason. I have a couple piles of $300 quick change buys that I might be able to build a usable center to take 9" axles
You guys really need to pay more attention to the oval track market, these rears are obsolete and are all over the place at oval track swapmeets complete in $500.00 to $800.00 range. The same goes for gear sets I have never paid more than $30.00 (the going rate) for a good used set of spur gears. The big time D.I.R.T. Modified tour (and most every other tour) teams buy new gear gears every year, even if the never used them. Not to mention- -That rear doesn’t have any axles -Is it offset -Is it broken inside -Are The axle tubes bent -Are the side bells cracked
So you are saying it’s not even worth a couple hundred? Maybe free? A couple decades ago a V8 sized Halibrand was obsolete for the racers, but now an absolutely bare housing is worth a grand. Go figure.
I paid $200 for two them a few years back. Spools and 12 spline axles in both of them, but they were complete. The one with aluminum side bells got a used $300 Detroit locker and 31 spline axles, also used, and made it into my truck. The other one has the iron truck side bells and drum brakes and is one heavy sob. It's just hanging around in my way mostly.
I bought one several years ago from a dirt modified at a local junk yard for $75. I had Frankland, near me, set it up. New tubes, used yoke, used lsd. Moser 31spline axles, new 9" brakes etc. close to 3 grand in it now if not more.
It’s worth something or it could be scrap if it’s broken inside. Almost every oval track car going back to the 1950s ran the 10 alpine (Champ/ full size rear). By the mid 60s everything from late models, sportsman, modifieds, sprint cars, and Sliver Crown ran these rears. I can’t say what other parts of the country did but by the late 1980 here in the north east they were running aluminum axle tubes. Today every this above the level street stocks run a quick change, but it is the Bulldog style which is a 3/4 scale model of the 10 spline. I live in a very small town of 800 people from the 1980s until the early 2000s there were between 5-12 race cars in town, at least three of them ran Q.C.s It was only two years ago that the last weekly racer sold all his stuff, he had two complete Q.C. plus parts in addition to the rear that was under the car he was still racing. If I asked there are likely 10 spline parts still in town, several of the vintage guys I know have sheds full of this stuff as do people who have been racing for years. Two years ago I bought two empty Franklands with jack shafts and rear covers, two side bells, and three disc break hubs for $25.00 at the Lebanon Valley speedway oval track swapmeets.
Robert just posted a lot of great information. In the late 1970’s myself and a few friends built a Sportsman car for Middletown(OCFS). Being young a broke almost everything on the car we made or bought used. We found an old Frankland 10 spline rear for cheap and tore it apart due to both axle tubes being bent. This old rear used the side bells from a 3/4 T floater rear. One bell and two axle tubes later we had a usable rear. We would even use 3/4T floater axles and shorten and re-weld them at the flange end.Always was easy to find parts.
Don't want people to think these rears are junk but I don't think people who aren't into oval track racing what these rears go through in the course of a race night. The hard and quick acceleration off the corner hard braking entering the corners this happens two times a lap, about 5 laps in warm-ups, 10 or 12 laps in a heat race and 20 to 30 laps in a feature. It was not uncommon and still is not for guys to race Friday and Saturday some even race Sundays. Plus mid-week long distance (50 plus laps) races some guys race 3 to 4 weekday shows plus their weekly home track(s) Running gear sets in 5:00s is pretty common that is a lot of R.P.M on the ring and pinon bearings etc... Northeast Modified warm ups. I.M.C.A warm ups This is often what the tracks look like after a night of racing, these are all New York state tracks the day after the weekly racing hitting holes like this is a hell of a shock to a Q.C. is why you have to be leery of broken pinon supports/jack shafts.
Always amazed me how much a QC can heat up the gear lube with all the gears inside spinning away. Changing out a gear set in the pits between races can lead to burnt fore arms and hands.Lol! Remember back when guys would build a car just to run Syracuse and a few started running 9” Ford rears to gain a little upsprung weight advantage and to pick up a few HP that you would lose in friction loss running a QC.
Oh, the 9" fallacies! A Frankland like the original poster showed is not heavier than a 9". The aluminum castings offset the extra weight of the QC gears. Add aluminum axle tubes and save more unsprung weight. Also, the 9" loses it's friction advantage of less rotating parts because the 9" uses a hypoid gear set which is much less efficient than the bevel R&P of the QC. The proof of this is demonstrated by the guys around here that have to run the 9". They don't use gears in the 6.00s because when the let off the gas the ring gear tries to climb up the pinion. So, they run transmissions and in 2nd gear.
I've watched smoke come off the gears on cars running normal gear oil. We always ran LE gear lube and the gears ran a lot cooler. The only problem was that it was red and stained everything it touched. Changing gears was our normal way to tune the chassis to the track. On our home 1/4 mile high banked track, we started with a 5.75 for qualifying and the Trophy Dash. Probably a 5.49 for the heat and a 5.28 or 5.08 for the feature. If the track really slicked off by feature time we might run a 4.86. Fun times.
I used 90 weight gear oil in the modified qc, a Frankland. But, each gallon of gear oil got a can of STP. YES, STP! We checked the temperature with those stick on temp labels, and saw a significant decrease in temperature with the STP. That stuff back then was really slippery.
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