Technical ***May 2025 Banger Meet Thread - May Flowers Bring Allergies***

Link to previous month: April 2025 Banger Meet

Coming Events: (PM Jiminy with additions/corrections)
Stay safe.

For the HAMB banger newbies, here are some links to a lot of banger info:

Jim Brierley's book 4-bangers! And me! is a must read book for all banger enthusiasts. US customers send $34.00 all color except for the oldest pictures (includes S/H in the U.S.A.), PayPal welcome, to:
Jim Brierley, 39480 Colleen Way, Temecula, CA 92592.
email: jimb4e4@gmail.com
phone: 951-695-7313.

A few links to speed equipment companies there may be more
https://specialtymotorcams.com/index.php#header
http://www.millerhi-speedheads.com/index.html
http://www.modelatrader.com/brumfield/brumfield.html
https://www.hotforhotfours.com/advertisers.htm
https://www.secretsofspeed.com/speed-parts
https://eraspeed.com/

Bert's, Synder's, Mikes affordable also list some speed performance parts.

Here is a list of most of the prior monthly banger meet links:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=161498

Banger basics. another info link list:
http://www.fordgarage.com/

http://www.plucks329s.org/index.htm

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=251717

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=42480

The link below shows flywheel lightening dimensions
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/may-bang-er-thread.470853/page-4#post-5212157
and this link shows the missing image from the above post
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/...-work-on-bangers.1010716/page-3#post-11427055

The 4 Banger hot rod picture thread.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/the-4-banger-hot-rod-picture-thread.997051/

Model B rod bearing insert numbers
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6992484#post6992484

Engine tuning with a Vacuum gauge
http://web.archive.org/web/20120415...e.com/tuning-with-a-vacuum-gauge-spg-148.html

Adjusting dual Strombergs:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=6638461#post6638461

Helpful Model A tools and tips:
http://www.maurer-markus.ch/ford_a/tipps.index.en.html

Gary in MN's late model Malory distributor conversion for A/B engine:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9147025&postcount=109

Elrod's stuck head tech:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=218487

Model A generator to alternator conversion:
http://ejwhitneyco.com/automotive.html

Gear ratio / speed and RPM calculator:
http://www.accuautoparts.com/calculator.php

Model A master cylinder mounting bracket ideas:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...73#post4953173

Go here to read the 1931 edition of Harry Ricardo's book "The High Speed Internal Combustion Engine"
http://www.scribd.com/full/40610101?access_key=key-w2bcjicdancrnxypd05

Chevy Banger Stuff
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...d.php?t=463465

Post 198 starts a great discussion of the shape of a flat head combustion chamber
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=470853&page=10

T-5 5 speed in a Torque Tube:
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=256226

Model A & B Style Cast Iron Cylinder Head Compression Ratios.
http://www.fordgarage.com/pages/headcompressionratio.htm

 

count me in

 

Me too!
Warren

 

Still here

 

Races this weekend at Barona raceway in Sandy Eggo county

 

I’m here! Well… in Bakersfield for the swap tomorrow. Stop by, space #172

 

Coming up to the end of hot rod season out here

 

I'll be there!

 

Still here, hoping to make some progress in the coming months

 

Just picked up this B trans for my roadster, hope to use it behind the B banger, will this trans bolt to the A flywheel housing or will I need to use the B housing and fab engine mounts? I understand I'll need to make pedal, wishbone and handbrake mounts. It's also missing the shifter, will any stick from 32-36 work?

 

Here now, after returning from over there. Good times.

 

Not too much to report. With researching Frontenac stuff, I managed to escape to the garage to tinker for a bit!

Who owns a Fronty powered car in CA?

 

Planning on some sump baffling this week. Other than that, just been out and about. Played a couple of gigs at a charity event yesterday. Beers, Bikes & Bands. Double bass fits in the Fordor so I started the Model A Sedan parking lineup…

 

You lead a charmed life!
Warren

 

And if you use a B pan, you will need to make up a filler piece or splice in a chunk of A pan to seal around the rear main cap, as the B cap seal surface is larger than the A rear cap sealing surface. Not hard to do, just be aware.

 

One old fella told me it’s easier to remove the back half of a B pan and weld that on the original A pan. Said it should fit on. Then you don’t need to worry about the sealing surfaces. I haven’t tried it yet.

 

I'm reposting this because it was buried in the Quote when I posted it yesterday. As far as adding the B rear flange to an A pan I have looked at it both ways and the shape of the A pan is quite different in the rear. I think fabricating the filler piece is an easier direction.

You will need to use the B flywheel housing and a B oil pan in order to use the B transmission with an A block. The flywheel housing is a bolt on, but the pan and the block need a couple of modifications. First, you need to resolve the difference in how the pan seals against the rear main bearing cap. The B crank journals and cap are larger than the A so when you test fit the B pan to the A block you will find a significant gap that needs to be filled on the B pan. The filler piece needs to be made so that it will seal against the cork strip on the rear main cap when the pan is bolted on.





Second, you need to fill the two pan bolt holes in the rear bulkhead of the A block. If these aren't filled you will get lots of oil moving from the sump into the flywheel housing and you and your clutch don't want that. While you're at it, the B pan has two mounting holes in the rear corners that you won't find in your A block, so you need to drill and tap holes to match the B pan in order to seal it along the rear of the block. This photo shows the block with the new hole tapped in the rear corner, and with the bolt hole for the A pan filled. The gray spot is JB Weld placed over a cut off bolt that's installed by sawing a slot in it to allow you to screw it into place just below the machined surface of the block, File the JB Weld flush with the surrounding gasket surface. When you install the pan with a B pan gasket you will find it's a little short where it is supposed to fit up against the main cap. If you use the paper style (not cork) gasket you can easily compensate for that with your favorite silicon gasket sealing or making product.



Now all you have to do is build motor and frame mounts, brackets to hold the pedals, a new clutch release shaft and an emergency brake bracket. These parts are all available but can be fabricated in a home shop too. You are right about the shifter, any 32-36 with the short bottom.
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checking in
just returned from a 1400 mile round trip to the Stray Kat 500 in Dewey, Oklahoma
no problems for the banger Vicky
I've been soaking the suspension springs with diesel/transmission fluid mix
man, did it improve the ride

 

I have got nothing to show for work on my modified last month but i did score this pretty cool part last weekend

 

Finally figured out this distributor and got the engine to fire off temporarily! Time to run a fuel line, install a gasket/bolt kit, and let her eat!

 

Anybody have hands-on experience rebuilding one of these water pumps?
A friend in Nashville has one on a recently purchased coupe, but hasn’t seen one before.
Experienced banger guy with a complete shop, but was looking for tips before tearing it down.
Is it a sealed bearing held in with a snap ring or press fit?
Thanks!

 

Take a look for V8 pumps diagrams
J

 

I think that is a Norm Frick water pump. I've used one, but never had one apart. I think it is based on a 32- 36 21 stud V-8 water pump

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Thanks! Yes, Norm Frick built the head.

 

Just listed this in the Antiquated section. Has anyone worked on one of these?

 

Would that be the 9N/2N tractor engine and its stablemate used in '41 pickups?

 

Judging by the photos the size of the bellhousing makes me think it is a Truck engine. They must mention "Vehicle" in the text.

Bob

 

Does anyone recognize these rods? I can barely make out the letters HAL on the side of them.

 

HAL made a variety of engines and parts, hadn't heard of Rods unless they were repurposed from one of their engine's?