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    That's George Montgomery. You can heat treat chrome after plating to remove hydrogen. Saw that car do many wheel stands. That man and that car are famous.
     
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  5. So famous that it is in the Henry Ford Museum
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    well,never seen a pic of george w/ broken pieces -- and lots of wins...so...?
     
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    Taken at a travel center in Nebraska. Can't remember the name or town. It's off I-80.
     
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    Yep!... 5 minutes away from me....;)
     
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    Mr. Montgomery's Willys seemed to do O.K. ......even won a few races. (Google "Ohio George Montgomery" and read)

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  21. I certainly can not dispute his racing success but that does not discount the kind of build. A guy named Mike Sorokin also thought he knew all about racing. I attach an article written by Jim McFarland describing the general affair. I know a bit about that death as I was on one of the two crash trucks that chased down the crash after watching it blow in front of us. Sorokin's rail was up to all standards of the time and tech inspections. Mikes problem was he was spending more funds on racing than he could win or afford. His wife and two mechanics were there that night and in his push truck ( they were positioned at the start line next to the tree watching as it blew up in a cloud ). Mike had been riding his clutch all that evening beyond what it could take and his pit crew kept telling him to stop but Mike said he needed the Win money. What happened in front of a lot of fans is well known. The clutch blew and cut the car in half. So the two half's continued down the track. Mike would have survived had it not been for the drive shaft. It stuck into the asphalt, flipped around backwards and then flipped again, coming into the middle of his back and punching out through his guts forwards. In fact his entire intestines were punched out the front and we found them laying on the race track. They were picked up using a stick from a near by eucalyptus tree. Things change and the true Slipper Clutch was developed. You can think of a slipper clutch kind of like a torque converter. A bit of racing history. Luck is always a major factor in racing. But you can be both smart and lucky.

    Yes chrome can be baked and de-gassed. But why in the first place. That spring stack is sloppy, the long shackles are weak to any lateral load. Should it loose traction on a run part way down the track, it will land at an angle and shear the front suspension sideways thus loosing the front end and steering. A couple of lateral bars would greatly reduce that and not weigh that much. Longer welded spring mounts on the frame and shorter spring shackles. I suspect he was experimenting with spring shackle length to change frame angle and weight shift to the back on acceleration. I've seen that before. Everyone is entitled to their own build according to the rules at the time.

    From the web::

    Slipper Clutch Evolution
    by Jim McFarland

    It was late in the evening of December 30, 1967, and the phone call was akin to an unexpected blow to the stomach. "Jim, we lost Sorokin tonight. It was a clutch explosion at Orange County Raceway." Every word was problematic.

    At the time, Funny Cars didn't exist as we know them today. Top Fuel "diggers" were the darlings of the drag racing sport, although Factory Experimental extensions of high-end Super Stock cars were heading in the direction of T/FC. For T/F cars, it was locked-up multi-disc clutches, "light the tires" the length of a quarter-mile, and a "stab and steer" driving technique. Spectacular, at the very minimum. But then, from all reports and quite by accident, something happened that changed the landscape of Top Fuel (and Top Gas) drag racing.

    Among the more prominent T/F teams, the ones of Roland Leong (owner/crew chief) and Mike Snively (driver) were guided by master engine builder and mentor to many racers, Keith Black. Roland's mother, Teddy Leong, had mandated that if Roland was to be involved with his chosen class of drag cars, Keith was to be his "director of activities." In fact, Keith not only built the engines, he was almost always trackside when the car was raced. After all, Teddy trusted Keith with the fortunes of her son's interests and felt comfortable in so doing. Then came the unexpected.

    Keith was also heavily involved in the racing efforts of Chrysler's marine division and often required to attend off-shore boating events. And so it was that on a particular weekend when Roland had planned to race the car at the renowned Lions Raceway in Long Beach, Keith was out of town. In his absence, Roland had gone through the time-honored process of disassembling, inspecting and reassembling critical components of the car, particularly the clutch package that consisted of a sintered-iron, two-disc and single "floater" unit matched to an aluminum flywheel. Here, you can take note.

    There was a dimensional difference between the leading and trailing portions of the clutch disc hubs. Although slight, it was sufficient to prevent total contact of the sintered iron friction faces, once the pressure plate and centrifugal levers applied the clutch's total clamping force if either of the discs happened to be accidentally installed facing the wrong direction. Even when fully released, the clutch could not become totally compressed, resulting in a measure of uncontrolled slippage.

    So, at the Beach, Snively makes his first pass of the afternoon. It's virtually smokeless and the elapsed time drops, accordingly The pits are in a flurry. As you would reckon, the belief is that Roland has taken away clutch pressure to produce the drop in time. Roland didn't even know why it had happened, at least for the moment. It wasn't until Keith returned, heard about the events and examined how the clutch had been assembled that the reasons became known. But neither he nor Roland wanted anyone else to become aware Racers are racers.

    Almost immediately, T/F (and Top Gas) competitors began dropping spring pressure in their clutches. It was purely experimental. How much was enough? How much wasn't? And in the process, clutch packages quickly overheated and were short-lived. On more than one occasion, particularly during night racing, I saw white-hot clutch parts shoot high into the darkness. Cars were cut in half. Floaters and discs were thrown into spectator areas. Racers were injured or killed. By now, most knew what had been behind Snively's first smokeless run, but the genie was already out of the bottle. Clutch package experimentation was on the loose and leaving a trail of damage in its wake. The accident involving Mike Sorokin, driver for the then-popular Surfers T/F team, was the last straw.

    Then I received another phone call. It was Paul Schiefer, owner of the company producing many of the clutches being modified by racers. In short he said, "Jim, we're losing our friends and I'd like to work with you to solve the problem." At the time, I was in the process of leaving Petersen Publishing Company to join Edelbrock, but a few months stop-off at Schiefer seemed appropriate. Besides, Paul was a very dear friend, genuinely concerned about racer safely and an innovator extraordinaire. Plus, Bruce Crower was also on the trail of a solution although, in reality, it wasn't about competition among clutch manufacturers but a matter of solving a widely-spreading problem.

    During the course of the next few months, Paul committed considerable funds and time to developing a solution that would enable clutches to slip (in a controlled fashion) and stay in the cars. It was a herculean effort but the problem was eventually resolved, including the Crowerglide from Bruce's creativity. Meanwhile, Mike's death had spawned the Mike Sorokin Safety Foundation (created by the then-manager of Orange Country Raceway, Mike Jones) to conduct further investigations into ways for improving racer safety. It was a delicate time in drag racing's evolution, but it turned out that those who had contributed to the problem ultimately became part of the solution.

    Schiefer Patent info below.











    CLUTCH AND CLUTCH COVER


    A "Long" type clutch cover has a plurality of windows for the release fingers utilized in disengaging the clutch's pressure plate from the clutch's clutch disc assembly. Each window has a pair of inwardly extending bearing flanges to increase the strength of the clutch cover to resist pressure plate imposed, rotational loads. The corners of the windows are radiused to reduce the likelihood of fatigue failure. Each pair of bearing flanges is engaged by upstanding bosses of a yoke on the pressure plate to provide the load coupling of the pressure plate with the clutch cover. The yokes also provide mounting of the release fingers to the pressure plate, the release fingers also being pivotally mounted to the clutch cover.

    Patent Number: 3670859
    Inventor: Schiefer et al.
    Published: June 20, 1972
    Application number: 05/000,117
    Filed: January 2, 1970
    Primary Examiner: Benjamin W. Wyche
    Assistant Examiner: Randall Heald
    Assignee:Schiefer Manufacturing Company , Monterey , CA
    Inventors:
    Paul Schiefer, Sherman Oaks, CA , James McFarlandJr., Chatsworth, CA


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  22. proartguy
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    The thread is called “traditional image that need no explanation”. So a long winded discourse on clutches and accidents seems unnecessary and off topic.
     
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    I get it...
    But .. The fact, The post is from someone that was there when Mike Sorokin lost his life, Is something I will remember after reading this for the rest of my life, An As a absolute huge fan of the Surfers, No jpeg needed, The visual is real..
     
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    I really think we could have been spared the gory details, not that I’m particularly squeamish but that wasn’t necessary and served no purpose.
    @Hollywood-East I don’t understand the connection to the Surfers, Sorokin wasn’t driving their car, he was driving for Tony Waters. It certainly wasn’t Waters first endeavor and as owner maybe he should have tried to rein in Mike, but that’s just conjecture and one man’s opinion.
    One thing I’m convinced of is the accident wouldn’t have happened on Skinner and Jobe’s watch, Jobe had eyes on everything.
     
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    Fair enough... We all have opinions
     
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    Most of the rules (or procedure changes) covering racing in any form, has been written by the blood of the racing competitors themselves. Most rules are a result of a set of similar tragic events. The rules are often named for the popular competitor that was the final straw of that series of similar events, before enough people were outraged enough to take action. Usually the person's name baring the rule change (or safety procedure) was not the first tragedy connected to the rule or safety procedure being implemented, they just happened to be the person that carried enough name recantation to motivate the change.

    I could have lived without the gory details. The message could have been well delivered with without the details. I have witnessed enough tragic ends to things during my life, that I have learned that the vivid, gory, details are not necessary. "I was the first on the seen, there was not any chance for the guy to survive." delivers the message without the unnecessary gory details.
     
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    Sticking to the subject. FB_IMG_1747019482795.jpg FB_IMG_1747019488373.jpg FB_IMG_1747031473380.jpg FB_IMG_1747031475765.jpg
     
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  29. IIRC, wasn't this car one of Lenny Legere's builds from the Springfield, Massachusetts' area ?
     
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