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Technical 57-60 Borg Warner T10 4-Lug Reverse Idler Identification

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by MrCreosote, Dec 15, 2023.

  1. MrCreosote
    Joined: Jul 23, 2009
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    MrCreosote
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    from USA

    In my collection of T10 parts, I'm trying to ID a strange "4-Lug" Reverse Idler Gear and related Thin Reverse Gear.

    QUESTION: Is the 4-Lug Idler Gear and Reverse Gear I have actually from the 57-60 T10?

    DISCUSSION:

    The B-W catalog notes the 57-60 Reverse Idler Gears are "4-Lug"
    Subsequent years had the "spline" variant.

    The HP6 catalog also states the Reverse Gear is a T10-46A which is used in ALL T10 and Super T10 transmissions. Same goes for the Reverse Idler Shaft: ALL T10's.

    So check out this picture: My 4-Lug Idlers have a narrower spur gear as well as one Reverse gear I have. All the others are later Spline Idlers which have a wider spur gear which all the other Reverse gears also have. It would seem that 57-60 had the Narrow Spur and the >60 have the Wide Spur.

    But how is this possible if there is ONLY ONE Reverse Gear Part number???

    Here is a pic comparing the differences in spur gear width:
    Also note the Idlers have the same stack height and bore and the sliding Gear has the same spline

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  2. QIK 059
    Joined: Jan 17, 2012
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    QIK 059
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    from Brampton

    Most likely because the later wider reverse gear superseded the original narrow reverse gear - works fine with the original 4 lug idler ***y :)
     
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  3. MrCreosote
    Joined: Jul 23, 2009
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    MrCreosote
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    from USA

    Given the collapse of the T10 used parts market and while blown reverses are probably the most popular gear replacement, there is probably no reason whatsoever to put a 4-lug back in a transmission. Unless someone is OCD about maintaining the transmission "original." I don't even think the Pebble Beach Corvette Guys care either.
     
  4. DDDenny
    Joined: Feb 6, 2015
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    DDDenny
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    The well healed care when they shell out $$$ for a so-called "matching number" car.
     
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  5. MrCreosote
    Joined: Jul 23, 2009
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    MrCreosote
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    from USA

    You might have a point. Sellers may fully do***ent the rebuilding of all components.
     
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  6. SS327
    Joined: Sep 11, 2017
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    SS327

    Running production changes could account for the different thicknesses.
     

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