History STOLEN - 1932 Ford Woody Wagon - John A. Good

Did you offer to give him back the $10,000 deposit?

 

sounds like he might have a ***le already…….
and he says he had a receipt ?

 

one of my favourite sayings !
and the truth isn’t always where you expect it to be….……….

 

He had an informal receipt for a $1000 deposit from the owner with no VIN or buyer name. In posts made by him he mentions trying to go to the DMV with what he had and was rejected.

There were enough simple options for reconciliation. If a deposit is made and a deal is not struck, it’s returned.

The simplest of terms were refused to be met. They wouldn’t accept the denial of their counter offer and went into a silent stand off.

 

Yep. That's how you make someone else's car your own

And unfortunately @nefareous hasn't been on the HAMB for 11 years.

 

Yes but he got "court ordered" ***le from the DMV and there must be a court record (date) of that.
If OP's the chain of ***le ownership predates the court ordered ***le, that would prove the OP's ownership.

 

I’ve looked into it.

They filed a Writ on a different vehicle (a trailer and motorcycle) and were successful.

For whatever reason they didn’t or were not able to file one on my vehicle. Even with the knowledge of that process.

 

I have to admit that I had some serious doubts about some of he O/P's claims until I saw the guys "H.A.M.B. Handle". Who on earth would call themself "Nefareous" on a nationwide well respected public forum like the "H.A.M.B."? Plus, he can't even spell his own username right.

 

Find yourself some shady repo guy that will locate and seize your property.

 

Like to hear that you or Family get the car back. Myself a issue like this one Time ,
My car by hand shake, ***le was given
Things went South , Me , On my property I cut car up where as it sat @ Time 35 year ago I dared the person to call the law , person got my ***le but not the car , car was kind of special with many ordered options.

@32FordWoody earlier if I read correctly you mentioned that the person with possession of the 32 Woody was boasting how he had the car ***led & tagged ,,,
I wonder if this is true , that another
***led 32 Frame or Model A Or other ""Frame"" was used
& A Body swap ,,, ???

Pre War Fords & other , here in Va , ***le is only for , The Originally for Ownership is ""Originally with Vin# stamped in Frame.
Frame /ch***is
Engine
Transmission
Rear end
NOT THE BODY , body is like a Accessory,
This is why many of Old Rodders
Dragger's @ least here where I am @ Have stamped there social Security numbers and addresses all throughout the body and on frames addition to the Vin number in frame.

 

They were never given the ***le nor was it ever transferred to them.

 

For all I have gathered from his postings his intentions seem nefarious:



“I have been "creative" ***ling my rods for over 50 years.

The key is...when you get pulled over be real nice to the cop. I have never had one look for a VIN number, and I've been pulled over more than most...to quote: "I cant drive 55" “

 

You're not quite understanding
Pre-war Vehicles in this case 32 Ford
The ***le you possess is only for a certain frame with that vin # if the person that has the body /frame now if they took the body off the frame that you have a ***le for , "" all you have is Ownership of a frame """ Its only the Part that has the original stamped VIN number on ,
They could hand you the Driver Side
Frame Rail right @ fire wall leg thats where Main vin # location on 32,
Som later 32s have a 2nd Vin# father back on same driver side frame rail,
Body on to another Pre war ""FRAME""
Witch was Clear ***le ,,
Is Legal !

There is no ***le for pre-war 32 Ford for body,,, it's considered a ""accessory ""
Body has no VIN number nor ***le,
I am not for sure when Ford started putting Vin # on Body but I would say 1950 off top of my head without looking it up ,,
But a 1932 Ford dose not have a vin # for the Body ,,, Not a original Ford

 

I’d rather have back in pieces than not at all my friends.

 

again I like to hear that you were able to get your vehicle back ,
I don't like to hear dirty Done tricks ,
I am not for sure what state you're in but I can tell you in Virginia this is how it works and most people that have hot rods do don't know Original Fords
***le Vin is only for the
frame , motor , trains, Rear,

Now one other option but most that have original cars do not have this if there's been a Vin re***ignment ***led number issued "State" usually comes out and installs the new VIN number to the body , Then /Know body will have
A ***le & Vin

 

I have read your posts on this car and understand your desire to regain possession of something that is sentimental to you. Unfortunately you don’t really have much of a chance to regain possession of the car. If the car was reported stolen and the individual was named as the thief, you might be able to recover some needed do***entation from the police records. That doesn’t explain why he wasn’t arrested. Nor does it fill in any details on what did or didn’t transpire after the theft was reported. There could have been an agreement reached between your dad and him. And before you say it, just because you didn’t know of any agreement or resolution doesn’t mean there wasn’t one. You said it, you weren’t involved in the sale. If it ever went to court your side of the story would unfortunately be mostly hearsay. Short of stealing the car back ( which would be bad for you as it would be easy to prove if you had possession of the car), it is doubtful that any court would return the car to you. You wouldn’t have a way to disprove any story given to explain his continued possession of it. A friend willing to lie could easily say he witnessed the final settlement between your dad and the person who bought the car. It is very hard to prove what didn’t happen. How can you prove that he never paid the rest or worked something else out?

 

Sale of HALF owner ship, police reports made but never filed, Nothing done about it for almost 20 years , No attorney ever contacted, was never your car when stolen or sold , engines and parts given in a HALF owner ship deal and taken away along with a car with permission or at least knowing about it . Zero actual proof written or otherwise of what money was or was not given and the registered owner now deceased so he can't testify .
None of this adds up well for you and to the impartial by stander its only going to sound like you inherited a lost ***le that was found after your fathers p***ing an he sold a car nearly 20 years ago .

I not even sure how a half owner ship would be handled unless there would be a new ***le created showing two owners . Was there ever a plan to have a new ***le made ?
Doesn't matter as it was never done.
I also can't think of why anyone would agree to give $10,000(granted your saying he money was onely a $1000 deposit ) for a car someone else would own half of. Unless it was some plans to co own a race car between friends or business partners . Some weird stuff . How was it decided to sell half of ones car to a stranger? Was the car to be shared like a airplane or time share were multiple people have owner ship and scheduled times of use ??
Thats some really weird stuff and your going to have a hard time proving any of it this late in the game .
Its hard enough getting a stolen car back even when there is a police report. I can think of a Corvette that was found to have had the ID numbers changed and been sold and transferred multiple times and the original owner still did not have the car back after years of legal challenges by multiple parties .

My advice is get an actual attorney because short of that nobody here can really help you even if they knew were the car was as far as you getting it back.

I can guarantee who ever has it now has a equally interesting story on how they got the car .
I personally had a Chevelle 30 years ago that I loaned the owner money on with no ***le and he never paid it back and disappeared/ moved away and I ended up selling it as parts for a stock car . If the son of that car 20 years later said it was his , well you know the answer he would get .

Good luck on all of this ****s when stuff like this happens and trusts are broken

 

^^^ Yeah what he said”^^^
The best thing for you to do is find another ‘32 woody and build a tribute or replica of the original car. The money would be better spent doing that than to hire attorneys, pay court costs, and all the extra expenses that come with the territory. It ****s royally but let’s face it after 20 years and no witnesses you don’t stand a chance.

 

The OP has three separate threads
claiming legal ownership of a vehicle
she claims is missing and stolen.
The OP was never a party of legal
record in any transaction involving
transfer of possession.
The legal party who was is deceased
and the estate of the legal party was
or should have been settled long ago.
This thread and the other two threads
should be closed at the very least,
if not deleted entirely.
Then if if the OP wants to start a new
thread focusing only on the history
of the vehicle to do***ent it without
referencing directly or indirectly
dispute of ownership, that could
prove useful to the hobby.

Jim

 

If you have a ***le to this vehicle and a police report that’s says it’s stolen and you know where it is, why haven’t you contacted his local police department and retrieved your car?

 

Having do***ents that say you own something doesn’t necessarily mean that you own it. I have a bill of sale for a famous racing boat and the providence that confirms the boat I bought was that boat. The boat left my parents’ garage while I was in Germany. I found the boat years later in a very elite collection of speed vehicles. Having the bill of sale doesn’t make it mine. I bought it from mom (the owner of record) before I left for Germany. While there apparently dad sold it. The guy that bought it, crashed it and sold it to Vic Edelbrock. Vic had it restored to the original owner’s colors and put it in his collection. Like the OP I can claim I own it, but I don’t. Unlike the OP, I can prove that I did own it at some point. But unless she has do***entation in her name establishing ownership, she is just wishing for what could have been.

 

Just for the record, I hate a thief, no matter what "legal" means he might take to steal someone elses property. A lot of mistakes were made by the original owners for sure, but it's apparently still theft, just done by "legal" means.

 

....Just to be clear, Billy, I think that was Doug Lewellyn.

 

Good call sir. Now that you said it, it was definitely Doug.

 

...I just watched The Peoples Court a lot.

 

Can't get past that half ownership part. Maybe it's still his turn.

 

That didn't end well for OJ and his memorabilia. I found a ***le and some car keys with a matching fob to a car I sold a long time back, it doesn't mean I own the car still and can go drive it home. I can't remember who I sold it too or I would give them to him. Instead, I shredded the ***le and hung the keys in the shop, bound to open a mustang someday when in need.