My wide 5 rims are rubbing the rear spring shackle. Does anyone make a spacer plate 3/8" -1/2" ? This is on a '36 rear with QC under a '34 coupe. I know they make them for VW. Thanks Terry
I’m sure a machine shop could make you one. Do you have enough lug stud to thread on with a 1/2 in spacer?
Check with the oval track suppliers. Wide 5 is a mainstay in dirt track racing. I’ve seen a couple of different types of spacers for wide 5 in Speedway’s catalog. One type is like a nut that threads onto the studs behind the wheel. Another type is a little funky. It’s a casting I think that bolts to the hub and has 5 studs offset between the hub studs that you bolt the wheel to. Not sure I’d trust that type. There’s probably someone who makes a ring that is placed between the hub and wheel, but I’ve never seen one like that
My under standing is Ford dia. is 10.50" and dirt track is 10.25".... I thought they would be the same since early cars use Ford wide 5 pattern. SO is the Ford pattern 10.50" ?
All I know is that I have used commercially purchased dirt track wide-5's and made some of my own using early Ford centers, and they have all been the same. Maybe that rumor got started because the "commercial" stuff uses 5/8" studs which may cause some fitment problems. The dirt track modified stuff evolved directly from the early Ford wide five stuff so they're the same.
Wheel studs may be an issue but they are very common in oval track racing https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Wilw...MIpuGGvMf2jgMVXE7_AR1uYA4nEAQYAyABEgJVtfD_BwE
That is incorrect modern oval track cars still use the 36-39 Ford wide five pattern. It is not unusual to see a modern oval track cars still with a stock Ford 16” wheel on the left front as a “loading” wheel, because the racing wheels and tires are too wide to fit on an open trailer or in an enclosed trailer. It is also not uncommon to see a built in period stock car with stock hubs or early aftermarket safety hubs with modern wide five racing wheels. Asphalt cars also run wide 5 wheels and hubs
Circle track Wide 5 uses 5/8 studs. At least all Circle track wide 5 stuff on Speedway is 5/8 studs. You might want to check with Wehrs machine. they show wide 5 spacers that go from 1/16 to 1/2 inch and say they fit anything except VW Shop for Wheel Spacers | Wehrs Machine & Racing Products
All this is fine but the bolt pattern diameter is different from what I have been told. Ford is 10.50" and dirt track is 10.25"
I'd still contact them as they may have a solution. I'd have to go out and look at one of my wide five but you may be able to take a rat tail file or dremel and trim a 1/6 if an inch on the outside edges of each hole and still have plenty if not full contact area for the wheel. The reasoning behind that is 5/8 holes vs 1/2 hole adds 1/16 to the diameter of the bolt circle for 1/2 inch bolts and another 1/6 would let you have the outside edge of the spacer just slide over the 10-1/2 bolt pattern.
That is incorrect, I just raided my parts stash the first two photos is are of a stock Ford 16" wide 5 wheel on modern wide 5 hub with a 5/8" stud.... These photos are of a modern aluminum bead lock wheel and a stock Ford car wide 5 hub. Despite not having studs you can clearly see they are the same bolt circle. Modern Wide Five race car hubs are still based on the old stock iron Wide 5 floater hubs.
Not only are the studs 5/8", the nuts have a 45º bevel, rather than the 60º found on conventional street wheels. There are wheel adapters that adapt conventional wheel bolt patters to Wide-5. If you knock out the studs, they can be used as spacers. Domestic car/truck/race Wide-5 is all 5-on-10-1/4.
If you can find a set of spacers that have a second set of studs that screw in, you can get stepped studs, that drop the 5/8" down to 1/2". https://www.speedwaymotors.com/1-2-Inch-Stud-Set-for-Grand-National-Hub-5-Studs,432017.html The 45º countersink on the hub side can be corrected to 60º by any machinist.
@terry k I just found these: https://neratdemo.com/shop/body-cha...deg-58-11-coarse-1-hex-for-our-wheel-centers/ This is a 5/8-11 lug nut, with a 60º cone, for stock Ford wheels. https://neratdemo.com/shop/body-cha...deg-58-11-coarse-1-hex-for-our-wheel-centers/ That takes care of the wheel side of an adapter with 5/8" studs. This is 1/2-20 lug nut with a 45-degree cone, for the wheel adapter, that will screw on to the Ford studs, and seat properly on the spacer. https://xl1racesupply.com/products/...XObc3uMXM5EyargagaEHAeSWIi3sQfweDixXRq8&gQT=1 This takes care of the hub side, with stock studs. You can bolt this spacer right on with those lug nuts. https://www.daymotorsports.com/shop...czo9CupLtvCr7gJBxYu8VEB6wTPXDjQWJF5n6I-v7ivlq It would cost you a few dollars, but that would take care of it with no machine work at-all.
You guys sure have been a big help.. thanks so much!!! I don't need adapters just spacers to move the wheel away from the rear leaf springs.
I looked all over for spacers. The thin-est ones that have a second set of studs are 1-inch. For thinner than that they go down all the way to 1/8-inch, but you'd need longer wheel studs for all but the thinnest of those. Measure the distance that the wheel stud sticks out past the lug nut on a rear wheel. That measurement, minus three full threads is the maximum thickness of spacer that you can run on your existing wheel studs. If that's not enough to clear the hangars, longer wheel studs can be fit.
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