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  1. J.Ukrop
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    As promised, I've returned with a handful of updates. I've been away for the past two weeks in New York and Chicago, and now is the time to get down to business.

    I'll start by saying this. San Francisco's Old Car Picnic is this Saturday. Part of me thought I was going to make it with the roadster, but life had other plans. Like David and I always say, there will be plenty more shows.

    On my flight to the Big Apple, I made the comprehensive "To-Do" list before the first drive. It's called "To Do (front to back)" and it lives in the Notes app of my phone. There are 34 items that range in difficulty and complexity. Some will take five minutes, while others may take a month. All I can do is keep chipping away.

    Moments after pulling into my driveway, my friend and fellow Michigander Xander was at my house. We immediately jacked up the car and got right into re-bleeding the brakes. We found more leaks, but did everything we could to correct them. After about an hour of work, the car had firm, consistent pedal pressure. To say I was relieved—and excited—would be a major understatement. IMG_2636.jpg
    I have no photos to show from that first night back, but I do have this snapshot of a clean Chevy more-door in Chicago.
     
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    Throughout the week, I tried to check little things off the list. That meant installing the new radiator drain plug (huge shoutout to the Johnson's team for shipping me a replacement) and adding three gallons of distilled water to the system.
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    All leaks were addressed, and I'd say we're looking good on the cooling front for now.
     
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    More updates tomorrow. And yes, I will be at the Old Car Picnic with the Harley, so I hope to see some of you there.
     
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    Awesome! In my head I want the car to roll and steer, then be able to stop, and then be able to run. Because as soon as that think pops off your gonna want to go for a drive! Brakes or no brakes.

    So having functioning brakes is a pretty major hurdle. You’re 2/3 of the way there!
     
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  5. So close, how many items are left on the list? how was the picnic?
     
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    Patiently waiting
     
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    Yep, getting brakes sorted before it fires is the right way, for the reason mentioned!
    I also prefer to have the cooling system filled way before firing, so it can burp and leak before it's called into action. Some need a bit of heat to seal up. but it's better to address that before the initial fire.
    Open exhaust is cool and all, but even a couple flex tubes and mufflers will let you hear engine noises better. Priming the oil pump allows checks for leaks there, too.
     
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    I thought he had exhaust on it when he fired it up with out the body on but I looked at the video and he didn’t. I could have sworn he had a posts about exhaust but I can’t find it. Oh well :)
     
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    He built a nice exhaust on the 4 banger way back when.
    Warren
     
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    Slow on the updates, but here are a few items.

    You are correct, Tim. I have a long set of NOS glasspacks that I will be running with the V8. I'll eventually do some proper exhaust, but something along the lines of this will be in place for the first drive. I love the sound.
     
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    Some of you may have seen on my Instagram, but I hit an unfortunate road block over the weekend. As I was installing my tie-rod cotter pins, I noticed some brake fluid dripping from the LF drum. Not from the hose, but from the bottom of the backing plate. My heart sank. Looks like the wheel cylinder failed—again.
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    These days, I'd say I'm pretty level-headed about this project and things in general. But at that moment, I was angry. Here I have this brake system with all the best parts put together by the book and it still lets me down. I wanted to pack up the tools, close the garage door, and not think about the car for awhile. IMG_2986.jpg I wanted to, but I didn't. Instead, I just focused on other things. Like installing my auxiliary gauge cluster (compliments of @corncobcoupe). In order to do that, I had to temporarily remove my temp gauge cable, which sent water dribbling down the driveway. (Just in case you thought this was all brake fluid.)
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    Filling out the control room.
     
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    Sunday started with some research into wheel cylinders. I polled my friends on Instagram, and here's where they recommended I buy my new LF cylinder.

    Napa (2)
    Third Gen (2)
    CW Moss (2)
    Raybestos (2)
    Boling Bros
    Millworks
    Young’s Auto Supply
    Bob Drake
    Midwest Early Ford

    I ended up buying one from Raybestos and one from Third Gen, plus new copper crush washers. We'll see how they work.
     
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    Next, I had some holes to drill in the seatbelt mount and rear fuel line support bracket. In my effort to not disturb the neighbors above the garage, I tried out my new lab.
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    If you look down the street, you can see the Golden Gate Bridge.
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    Watching paint dry.
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    And again on the fire escape. That's all for tonight. Stay tuned for more soon.
     
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    thanks for the updates....and the view from the paint booth...
    as aggravating as car assembly problems can be..... I always thank my cars for being so considerate for evidencing their troubles at home where they are easily dealt with as opposed to on the road where panic and heroics come in play.....
    carry on....
     
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    Perfect example of "New means untested".
     
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    I knew I’d seen it with pipes on it!
     
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    Yupp shakedown isn't always a driven thing...I get the letdown...but it'll be soon behind in the exhaust mixture...

    @J.Ukrop were they rebuilt, nos? Is brake fliud like ethanol gas and carbs these days?
     
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    @Stogy I’ve seen wheel cylinders leak after a long time of being parked and not put threw the motions but I don’t recall seeing anything about fluid being an issue.

    Sometimes you just get skunked :(
     
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    I had issues with a brake wheel cylinder. Felt like I couldnt get right. I pulled it apart, honed it, rebuilt it...twice....replaced it. Finally I built a whole new backing plate, and just swapped em. I just had had enough! No issues since.
     
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    Thank you all for the words of encouragement. I'm hoping that I'll get it right on the next time around. As I type this, the front left wheel cylinder is leaking, and there's a slight weep from the right front fitting, left rear fitting, and rear of the master cylinder. Really frustrating. I read online about annealing the copper washers. I've done that for Triumph motorcycle heads and it works well. I wonder if I should do the same on my reassembly?
     
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    Even with the dismal state of the brakes, I knew I needed to keep going. IMG_2747.jpg
    I recently acquired/installed a Herman Miller Nelson Saucer Bubble Pendant in my dining area. I'm really excited about it because 1) It's era correct for this project and 2) It allows me to work at my kitchen table at night.
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    Naturally, that meant making my new coil lead wire after-hours. I love working on my car and bike projects in the house (note the upside-down placemat). Looking forward to more of this!
     
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    Tonight's tasks weren't huge, but progress is progress. I managed to track down the right Allen wrench to get the Stromberg's linkage adjusted. IMG_3023.jpg As you can see, I also started thinking about my coil wiring. I'll tackle that soon. 46-Lloyd-Bakan-Coupe_011.jpg Whenever I look at my crazy thermostat cable routing, I can't help but think of Lloyd Bakan and his e-brake setup.
     
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    I love the dining room decor.
     
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    Joey, the copper washers may come annealed, but easy to anneal them, anyway, to make them soft.
    I don't understand your flare connections leaking...crazy stuff...I'm sure that you are reaming the inside of the tube prior to flaring and I always use a little brake fluid for lube when flaring....
    Good luck...persistence pays off
    .....and I used to work with a group that thought 'anything worth doing once was worth doing twice....
    carry on
     
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    Regarding new wheel cylinders leaking. A few years back I had a similar failure with brand new components too! Since then, I have taken apart inspected and cleaned every "New" wheel cylinder I've installed. I found machining "swarf" in that initial leaker... No problems since. Your mileage may vary?
     
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    I had a new wheel cylinder leak, I rebuilt it, it leaked. turned out the Chinese casting was porous.
     
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    Yeah I’d really take a good look at your flares etc. maybe take a photo? Sometimes when you’re fresh to making flares it’s easy to miss something that’s obvious to someone who’s done it a thousand times.

    love the dinner table work station. Just because one section got you flustered doesn’t mean
    You can’t switch gears and make progress elsewear :)
     
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    Thank you! It's been a slow process, but I'm happy with how it's coming together. You should stop on by sometime.

    Yes, I'll give the annealing a shot when I try it all again. I agree with that last statement although, in my case, its often three or four times. Whatever it takes to make this car safe and roadworthy, I'll do. Thanks for the continued support!

    Hmmm good to know I'm not the only one. We'll see how the new ones stack up!

    I'm curious to see how the Raybestos and Third Gen products hold up.

    Thanks, Tim! I loosened and re-tightened the left rear, but I'm not confident that it fixed the problem. It's not leaking right now, because much of the fluid has leaked out elsewhere hahah
     
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    I'm doing everything in my power to not turn this thread into "Building My First Hydraulic Brake System in San Francisco." Last night, I was able to bolt in my seatbelts and lower seat brackets. Part of that process was jumping behind the wheel and buckling up.
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    Everything felt great, from the belt size to the pedal and steering placement. Longtime readers will know how much planning this took.
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    It feels like a lifetime since I've driven this thing. So long, in fact, that I forgot which way I had the buckles configured. Luckily I had this snapshot of me and my childhood best friend Kevin on the move on Arguello.
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    He showed me how to drive stick when we were in high school, and I was able to repay him by handing him the keys and having him drive through the Presidio in San Francisco. I've always loved this shot. It's spontaneous, and the way the door is swung open reminds me of images from the early dry lakes era.
     

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