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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by J.Ukrop, Sep 7, 2020.

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  1. J.Ukrop
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    Back at home, I managed to make a little bit of progress on the car. How so?
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    Enter the header block-off caps. For the longest time I've wanted to polish them, but I haven't had the bandwidth. Here's how they started.
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    Next, a little bit of sanding with various grits.
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    And then polished. This is as far as I got before the drill battery died. I went back and got them to a full mirror finish this evening. I think they'll look right at home with the other chrome/polished pieces on the car.

    In a perfect world, I'd cut the flanges off and have square, four-bolt caps. But that's a project for another lifetime.
     
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    One last thought before calling it a night. I love coming back to Michigan. Whenever I walk though the garage, I think back to all the time I had spent out there as a teenager. It was my first workshop: a place where I would paint model cars and eventually work on my go-kart and motorcycles.
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    Memories of models past.
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    I recently unearthed this snapshot of the infamous "Green Painter's Tape Box" that became my designated work area. I wrote about the experience (or experiment?) on The Jalopy Journal back in the fall of 2018. Here in an excerpt:

    "One summer day when I was back from school, I walked into the garage and noticed it was a little different. Everything seemed to be in place for the most part, but it had all been shifted into a pile of sorts. Tools, toolboxes, hardware, spare parts, crates, chairs—every last bit had been mysteriously moved towards the far wall. Confused, I looked down at my feet and noticed a line of green painter’s tape running down the center of the garage. 'Oh no,' I thought. 'This can only mean one thing.'

    You can check out the link above for the full story, and shots of Phil Cool's roadster in-progress in his living room.

    So why share this now? Because it's a great reminder of how far we've come.
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    Turk.
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    Our always-wonderful Loyola Terrace.
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    And, of course, where we are now.

    That's it for tonight. More soon!
     
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    Yeah, having good memories circle back around is one of the joys of our existance and they aren't something you can purchace in a store or order out of a catalog.
     
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    Nice garage shots. The Country Club Malt Liquor sign !!!! Now that brings back some memories of my misspent youth.
     
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    I LOVE this pic Joey!!!!!!! Can somebody edit(photo****) those ****bo**ers outta that great pic!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Tim
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    I think it’s better with the late model stuff in the background. The juxtaposition of Joey under a 50’s hot rod wrenching on the sidewalk with everyone else in late model **** boxes parked curb side, his buddy’s bikes snuck in with the mix, paints the full picture.

    That ****s rock and roll. It’s real.

    In other roadster related news I saw another person having trouble with leaking wheel cylinders. And ***us in Minnesota had some words of advice I thought would be worth adding to this thread/ the hamb.

    Jeff/***us in response to a posters new cylinders leaking:

    ive had alot of issues with repro front wheel cylinders, i found that some have a taller piston than stock so the cup gets pushed past or up to the teed hole

    me: been seeing this more and more lately

    Jeff:
    been 10 years or more ive been dealing with it, i machine a little off the tip of the piston where it touches the shoe, i do it prior to installing any of them

    me: any brands better than another or are they all hit and miss?

    Jeff:
    they are all the same, different boxes same plastic wrapping between 99% of the brands, bought 4-5 different brands about 7 years ago and all were same packaging different boxes

    maybe someone can measure a stock piston so we all have a point of reference?
     
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    Hi all, I’m on the 38R bus riding into the city, and I thought it’d be a good time to check in. I’ve been really busy with non-car related things since I’ve gotten back from Michigan, but I do have a few odds and ends.
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    We begin today’s programming with a great gift from @denis4x4. Talk about vintage!
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    Next, the polished header caps were installed. I’m thinking they’ll have a little more pizzaz once the car is out of the garage. Shorter, square head bolts are en route and should be arriving later this month.
     
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    As excited as I was to get my pencil tips, the feeling didn’t last long. They’re too small for my flex pipe, and also two different styles. Back to Summit they go!
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    A detail of the rolled/sharp lips.
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    Last but not least, I installed the electric fuel pump and line. The lighting was bad, so I didn’t take any pictures worth sharing.

    While I was under the car, I noticed something different about the rear backing plates. You guessed it: weeping brake fluid from both sides. To say I’m frustrated is an understatement. Once I have the time, I’m pulling apart every piece of this brake system and probably replacing all of it.

    Anyway, that’s all for now. Hopefully more updates soon.
     
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    Joey! What a good time so me to be adding: finding this info on the wheel cylinders!

    - also that ****s about the tips, rules about the oil can that holder kicks ***, I missed one a few years ago but it didn’t have a holder! I bet those caps really sparkle in the sun, maybe polish the wing nuts?

    ok new- additional info! IMG_3701.jpeg right between these tangs is where you need to give it some attention. That slot needs to be 1/16 to 1/8 deeper!

    the shallow slot is pushing the piston to deep and causing it to leak. You could also could fix it by fiddling with the brake shoes where they attach to the wheel cylinder but then next you or someone else changes shoes you’d better remember or you put the new shoes on and get leaking cylinders.

    Jeff says he puts them in his mill but at 1/16 to 1/8 that’s easy work with a hand file.

    we need to get a stock piston to measure and add to this thread so we can all have the info
     
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    The lighter colored unit with the pointed tangs is correct IMG_3702.jpeg the darker one is aftermarket and need machined. IMG_3703.jpeg thats how far off this one was. IMG_3704.jpeg Working on more info. Stay tuned while Joey enjoys his buss ride :)
     
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    Ok looks like what we need to measure on a stock piston is the bottom of the piston to the bottom of the slot. IMG_3705.jpeg and then make your new pistons slot the same.
    The tangs and the top of the piston/cup are not uniform so it needs measured from the bottom as shown.
     
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    @Tim I got it from the first pics, but the latest ones show it better!!!
    It's the distance from the piston to cup face (on the table surface) to the shoe slot.

    Joey, since you mentioned square headed bolts, This came to mind.
    Weld a bump on the flange behind each hole, so it prevents the bolt from turning while still allowing a wrench to hold it. Provided the threads are clean, this would allow quicker install and removal. One of those little details a hot rodder would do.
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    Jeff/***us said he doesn’t really measure them anymore he just right away pulls them apart and takes a 1/16 off on the bridge port to make the slot deeper before he even puts them on the car. But my brain is my brain so I’ll see if any of the ones I have are lose enough to get apart. Probably have a hamber have a lose one to measure before I get there haha.
     
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    The green painters tape on the floor of the garage reminds me of the tape Les Nesman put on the floor to designate the walls of his office!
     
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    Hi! Project is coming right along!
    What’s your source for these rabbit ear wing nuts? Are they 3/8”?
    Need them for 4 banger OHV conversion rocker cover.
    Thanks!
     
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    I seem to recall the wing nuts were 10mm, but hold onto 3/8 NC well enough.
     
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    I’ve found the wing nuts in doorman drawers before but they aren’t everywhere.

    conveniently I can’t walk past a wall of those bins and not look in every single one of them lol
     
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    Thank you for this investigation, Tim! I'm not back in the brake zone yet, but I'll reference this going forward.

    Interestingly enough, the flanges are set up so that hex-head bolts won't spin. I'll be curious to see how it does with the square-headed ones.
     
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    I was able to get two sessions in the garage today. First, I brought my pickup tubes out to my pickup to make the angled cuts.
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    After cleaning them up, I got everything in position. Later in the evening, I finalized all the fuel line connectors, "olives" and all.
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    Fuel tool for fuel pickups, on the pickup. It’s aaaaaalllll coming together lol
     
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    The story continues on the 38R bus this morning. Last night, I also finalized the electric fuel pump wiring. That means we now have a full fuel system running from my vintage Honda cap all the way to the Strombergs. It took a minute to sink in but, if the opportunity presented itself and there was fuel in the tank, I could attempt a fire-up.

    We’re close, but not there yet. I still need to plumb my oil pressure gauge, wire my hours gauge, and hang the driver’s side exhaust. I’m hoping to tackle those this week before I leave town on Thursday.
     
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    As I have mentioned here before, noise is a major issue at the new garage; I work in library-level silence, both day and night. Sometimes it’s stressful, but other times it’s the****utic.

    I say this not to complain, rather give some context. I’m trying to decide my order of operations. It’s tempting to fire-up then focus on brakes, although my gut tells me to do the opposite. Then, if the stars align, that could set me up for a first drive this spring. We’ll see!
     
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    Go Joey Gooooooooooo...

    I'd start it...jus' sayin.
     
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    Because you know if you have a car that runs but doesn’t have brakes even in San Francisco your going for a drive lol
     
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    A friend of mine & I have both got Banger powered A's, he has meticulously gone through everything & finished each part then fettled it till it is right,

    I on the other hand have followed the path of least resistance & the rough enough is good enough approach.

    Conclusion - Dwight enjoys each outing, parks the car & doesn't need to think of it.
    Me, well nearly every drive I need to create a mental list of the things that need fixing, without even getting to making it look good,
    Well done @J.Ukrop for your methodical approach it will bring much enjoyment to your driving experience. I am so excited for you :cool:
     

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